Weight needed for salt rather than fresh

**Alastair** · February 3rd, 2006, 09:50 PM

Hi All,

I'm taking my short body HPDE scooter in the sea tomorrow - how much extra weight would you tend to put in going from fresh to salt? And where would you put it?

Thanks in advance
Al

***EBT*** · February 4th, 2006, 12:39 AM

None. Sod off and quit hogging boat space on a pansy little dive.... just cos you swim like a crippled sparrow (Im up at 5 and I cant sleep, of course Im grumpy).

/Zak

Divingniknaks · February 4th, 2006, 01:22 AM

8:50pm and you decide to ask that ?

Nice planning mate :D

I'm off to bed now that I've insulted you. Have fun though

graham_hk · February 4th, 2006, 09:10 AM

1kg won't be too far off - it really depends on the battery though.

Put it under the battery and near to the front

*Brian Allen* · February 4th, 2006, 05:46 PM

Don't know why i'm writing this here as you're out on my boat at the moment, but you can read this when you get back home tomorrow night. :D

But the answer is 3% of the weight. Eg, you plus all gear ways 100kg, add 3kg going to salt water. If you're talking about weighting the scoot, then it's mass is 30kg??? 3% would be 0.9kg. Dunno where you'd put it though

Hope you had fun... hehe

Bri

**Alastair** · February 6th, 2006, 12:13 PM

I had some info from Andy and Bob but stupidly forgot to ask where to put the lead. I put a small amount in the rear near the motor and some in the nose. However it was a still too light in the nose and it didn't tend to hang with the top handle facing upwards so steering it was a bit annoying.

More playing required! Thanks for the sensible replies

Cheers
Al

prharris · February 6th, 2006, 12:23 PM

I think I mentioned Sat., we used to use a 'pancake' in the nose cone, held in with gaffer tape.

We used Horsea to practice as it's almost salty, and could have weights on the side.

Dunno if recommendations have changed, but we used to weight for the scooter going neutral at about 6m, with the nose very slightly positive.

r
P

NickB · February 6th, 2006, 12:49 PM

Maybe you need 2 scooters Al

graham_hk · February 6th, 2006, 01:10 PM

Sounds like you've got it set up wrong...

Maybe I misread but...handles should be a 3 and 9 when your not on the trigger. With the weight put it underneath the battery pack towards the front of the pack - no need to play around it will be perfect.

Personally I also prefer the webbing handle down in the resting position that way it can be used for towing too. If you have the webbing handle up (for carrying) you'll need another loop for towing (having two where one will do doesn't seem to be DIR elegance to me)

Quote: (Originally Posted by Alastair)

I had some info from Andy and Bob but stupidly forgot to ask where to put the lead. I put a small amount in the rear near the motor and some in the nose. However it was a still too light in the nose and it didn't tend to hang with the top handle facing upwards so steering it was a bit annoying.

More playing required! Thanks for the sensible replies

Cheers
Al

**Alastair** · February 6th, 2006, 01:41 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk)

Sounds like you've got it set up wrong...

Maybe I misread but...handles should be a 3 and 9 when your not on the trigger. With the weight put it underneath the battery pack towards the front of the pack - no need to play around it will be perfect.

Personally I also prefer the webbing handle down in the resting position that way it can be used for towing too. If you have the webbing handle up (for carrying) you'll need another loop for towing (having two where one will do doesn't seem to be DIR elegance to me)

Hi Graham,

Sorry by top handle I meant webbing handle. I have it so that's at 12 o clock with the rear handgrips at 3 and 9 when not on the trigger. The towing loop may not be as elegant but it's what most people I've seen tend you use

Cheers
Al

February 3rd, 2006, 09:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alastair(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 693	Weight needed for salt rather than fresh Hi All, I'm taking my short body HPDE scooter in the sea tomorrow - how much extra weight would you tend to put in going from fresh to salt? And where would you put it? Thanks in advance Al __________________ Helium is our friend - GI3

February 4th, 2006, 01:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,038	8:50pm and you decide to ask that ? Nice planning mate :D I'm off to bed now that I've insulted you. Have fun though __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com

February 4th, 2006, 05:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Brian Allen(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London & Plymouth Posts: 594	Don't know why i'm writing this here as you're out on my boat at the moment, but you can read this when you get back home tomorrow night. :D But the answer is 3% of the weight. Eg, you plus all gear ways 100kg, add 3kg going to salt water. If you're talking about weighting the scoot, then it's mass is 30kg??? 3% would be 0.9kg. Dunno where you'd put it though Hope you had fun... hehe Bri __________________ ...dive planning again ... GUE fundamentals and Halcyon Equipment Online www.ocean-explorers.co.uk

February 6th, 2006, 12:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Alastair(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 693	I had some info from Andy and Bob but stupidly forgot to ask where to put the lead. I put a small amount in the rear near the motor and some in the nose. However it was a still too light in the nose and it didn't tend to hang with the top handle facing upwards so steering it was a bit annoying. More playing required! Thanks for the sensible replies Cheers Al __________________ Helium is our friend - GI3

February 6th, 2006, 12:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
NickB(Offline) Always lowering the tone Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 340	Maybe you need 2 scooters Al __________________ SnowHeads / BreastFriends / Free Money!

February 4th, 2006, 12:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
*EBT*(Offline) Just another crouton... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 413	None. Sod off and quit hogging boat space on a pansy little dive.... just cos you swim like a crippled sparrow (Im up at 5 and I cant sleep, of course Im grumpy). /Zak

February 4th, 2006, 09:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
graham_hk(Offline) Pinoy ako pinoy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: here, there and everywhere Posts: 779	1kg won't be too far off - it really depends on the battery though. Put it under the battery and near to the front

February 6th, 2006, 12:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
prharris(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Plymouth Posts: 91	I think I mentioned Sat., we used to use a 'pancake' in the nose cone, held in with gaffer tape. We used Horsea to practice as it's almost salty, and could have weights on the side. Dunno if recommendations have changed, but we used to weight for the scooter going neutral at about 6m, with the nose very slightly positive. r P

February 6th, 2006, 01:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
graham_hk(Offline) Pinoy ako pinoy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: here, there and everywhere Posts: 779	Sounds like you've got it set up wrong... Maybe I misread but...handles should be a 3 and 9 when your not on the trigger. With the weight put it underneath the battery pack towards the front of the pack - no need to play around it will be perfect. Personally I also prefer the webbing handle down in the resting position that way it can be used for towing too. If you have the webbing handle up (for carrying) you'll need another loop for towing (having two where one will do doesn't seem to be DIR elegance to me) Quote: (Originally Posted by Alastair) I had some info from Andy and Bob but stupidly forgot to ask where to put the lead. I put a small amount in the rear near the motor and some in the nose. However it was a still too light in the nose and it didn't tend to hang with the top handle facing upwards so steering it was a bit annoying. More playing required! Thanks for the sensible replies Cheers Al

February 6th, 2006, 01:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Alastair(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 693	Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk) Sounds like you've got it set up wrong... Maybe I misread but...handles should be a 3 and 9 when your not on the trigger. With the weight put it underneath the battery pack towards the front of the pack - no need to play around it will be perfect. Personally I also prefer the webbing handle down in the resting position that way it can be used for towing too. If you have the webbing handle up (for carrying) you'll need another loop for towing (having two where one will do doesn't seem to be DIR elegance to me) Hi Graham, Sorry by top handle I meant webbing handle. I have it so that's at 12 o clock with the rear handgrips at 3 and 9 when not on the trigger. The towing loop may not be as elegant but it's what most people I've seen tend you use Cheers Al __________________ Helium is our friend - GI3