New benchmark for LED-lights (DIR)

mbsub · December 10th, 2009, 10:14 AM

mb sub proudly presents the new LED-head VB-50 with adjustable beam.

Here some details:

Light power: 1250 Lumen
Max. Brightness: > 20.000 Lux
Power consumption: 16W
2 power steps: 100% and 35%
Beam adjustment: 8° to 36° without spill
Only a quarter turn on the front-ring is necessary to get 100% of the adjusting range
Switch and adjusting mechanic is uneffected from water pressure.
The VB-50 head is usuable as hand light and of course as canister system.
The head will be available with E/O cord too, for connection to foreign 12V canister.(option)
The engeneering is "mb sub like", will say: intelligent design in rugged style.
The beam shots follows.
The price for the head include the Goodman-handle is euro 428,00 (incl 19% VAT)
The VB-50 is available end of January.

Michael

TobyFish · December 10th, 2009, 11:34 AM

Looks pretty sexy. Whereabouts is the power level selector control?

Could you give some physical dimensions. Especially in handheld config?

mbsub · December 10th, 2009, 11:50 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by TobyFish)

Looks pretty sexy. Whereabouts is the power level selector control?

Could you give some physical dimensions. Especially in handheld config?

The power setting will be made by the rotary switch. The switch has 3 positions: OFF - 35% - 100%

The weight of the handheld configuration with the body of our PHOTON is 0,7 kg, the length is 225mm, the head diameter is 65mm.

Michael

adrian.brown · December 10th, 2009, 11:59 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by mbsub)

The power setting will be made by the rotary switch. The switch has 3 positions: OFF - 35% - 100%

The same idea as Metalsub use a rotary magnet not very DIR im afraid.
How is the magnet and the swivel switch held in place on the switch runner ?.

mbsub · December 10th, 2009, 12:22 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by adrian.brown)

The same idea as Metalsub use a rotary magnet not very DIR im afraid.
How is the magnet and the swivel switch held in place on the switch runner ?.

This idea is old , but its always the question of quality.
Its impossible to loose the switch, because the switch goes inside a groove and the tension of the clip is too strong for loosing.

BTW, not only at DIR exist manufacturer who knows what they do.

Michael

wilbo · December 10th, 2009, 12:25 PM

As this is in the 'Specialist DIR kit' subforum - will this light be tested (or available for test) by an established DIR team - a team who are unconnected to your business?

It would be good to read a completely unbiased equipment report on this torch from a DIR perspective..

**jb2cool** · December 10th, 2009, 12:46 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by adrian.brown)

The same idea as Metalsub use a rotary magnet not very DIR im afraid.

I'm not arguing with you but are Gavin scooters not switched on by a magnet on the end of a bit of fishing line? if so then surely a rotary magnet should be acceptable.

adrian.brown · December 10th, 2009, 12:54 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by mbsub)

This idea is old , but its always the question of quality.
Its impossible to loose the switch, because the switch goes inside a groove and the tension of the clip is too strong for loosing.

BTW, not only at DIR exist manufacturer who knows what they do.

Michael

Michael your torches look well thought out and a quality product, you usually post on here with the new innovations in light technology from MB-Sub which is great.

But looking at the LED cable light model you have on display here it has a open ended rotary bezel switch which will allow sand and sediment deposits to corrode the magnet in the switch if the magnet is exposed ? which will within time move the magnet further away from the internal contacts leading to possible light failures.

The ethos of DIR is to keep it as simple as possible i.e a on/off fixed wire toggle switch.

mbsub · December 10th, 2009, 01:24 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by adrian.brown)

Michael your torches look well thought out and a quality product, you usually post on here with the new innovations in light technology from MB-Sub which is great.

But looking at the LED cable light model you have on display here it has a open ended rotary bezel switch which will allow sand and sediment deposits to corrode the magnet in the switch if the magnet is exposed ? which will within time move the magnet further away from the internal contacts leading to possible light failures.

The ethos of DIR is to keep it as simple as possible i.e a on/off fixed wire toggle switch.

I am agree your point of view, if its conducive for security. But its a question of security too, that you can adjust the light power and the light beam.
The magnet is completly closed from silikon and cannot corrode.
I know the problems, but i told you that good solutions needs brain.
I am shure that we send this LED-system for testing next year to GB.

Michael

adrian.brown · December 10th, 2009, 01:37 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by mbsub)

I am shure that we send this LED-system for testing next year to GB.

Michael

Thank you Michael for making it clear about the sealed magnet, I look forward to reading the test data after its been tested by an unbiased team of tech divers here in the U.K.

Thanks,

Adrian

December 10th, 2009, 10:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
mbsub(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cologne Posts: 49	mb sub proudly presents the new LED-head VB-50 with adjustable beam. Here some details: Light power: 1250 Lumen Max. Brightness: > 20.000 Lux Power consumption: 16W 2 power steps: 100% and 35% Beam adjustment: 8° to 36° without spill Only a quarter turn on the front-ring is necessary to get 100% of the adjusting range Switch and adjusting mechanic is uneffected from water pressure. The VB-50 head is usuable as hand light and of course as canister system. The head will be available with E/O cord too, for connection to foreign 12V canister.(option) The engeneering is "mb sub like", will say: intelligent design in rugged style. The beam shots follows. The price for the head include the Goodman-handle is euro 428,00 (incl 19% VAT) The VB-50 is available end of January. Michael __________________

December 10th, 2009, 11:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
TobyFish(Offline) Fine Upstanding Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,402	Looks pretty sexy. Whereabouts is the power level selector control? Could you give some physical dimensions. Especially in handheld config? __________________ Rude-boy Volvo "Gangsta Rollin' in me nine-six-oh"

December 10th, 2009, 11:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
mbsub(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cologne Posts: 49	Quote: (Originally Posted by TobyFish) Looks pretty sexy. Whereabouts is the power level selector control? Could you give some physical dimensions. Especially in handheld config? The power setting will be made by the rotary switch. The switch has 3 positions: OFF - 35% - 100% The weight of the handheld configuration with the body of our PHOTON is 0,7 kg, the length is 225mm, the head diameter is 65mm. Michael __________________

December 10th, 2009, 11:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
adrian.brown(Offline) U.K's first XK1 owner :) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somerset. United Kingdom Posts: 602	Quote: (Originally Posted by mbsub) The power setting will be made by the rotary switch. The switch has 3 positions: OFF - 35% - 100% The same idea as Metalsub use a rotary magnet not very DIR im afraid. How is the magnet and the swivel switch held in place on the switch runner ?. __________________ Im not ginger im sandy gold

December 10th, 2009, 12:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
mbsub(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cologne Posts: 49	Quote: (Originally Posted by adrian.brown) The same idea as Metalsub use a rotary magnet not very DIR im afraid. How is the magnet and the swivel switch held in place on the switch runner ?. This idea is old , but its always the question of quality. Its impossible to loose the switch, because the switch goes inside a groove and the tension of the clip is too strong for loosing. BTW, not only at DIR exist manufacturer who knows what they do. Michael __________________

December 10th, 2009, 12:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
wilbo(Offline) Senior Chimp Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,562	As this is in the 'Specialist DIR kit' subforum - will this light be tested (or available for test) by an established DIR team - a team who are unconnected to your business? It would be good to read a completely unbiased equipment report on this torch from a DIR perspective.. __________________ Cheers! Wilbo DIR explorers: DIR Yorkshire Divers: YorkshireDivers One of the Foxturd chimps Last edited by wilbo; December 10th, 2009 at 05:09 PM.. Reason: spelling

December 10th, 2009, 12:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
jb2cool(Offline) Sorry for being a dick Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Posts: 1,053	Quote: (Originally Posted by adrian.brown) The same idea as Metalsub use a rotary magnet not very DIR im afraid. I'm not arguing with you but are Gavin scooters not switched on by a magnet on the end of a bit of fishing line? if so then surely a rotary magnet should be acceptable. __________________ http://jb2cool.bulldoghome.com

December 10th, 2009, 12:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
adrian.brown(Offline) U.K's first XK1 owner :) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somerset. United Kingdom Posts: 602	Quote: (Originally Posted by mbsub) This idea is old , but its always the question of quality. Its impossible to loose the switch, because the switch goes inside a groove and the tension of the clip is too strong for loosing. BTW, not only at DIR exist manufacturer who knows what they do. Michael Michael your torches look well thought out and a quality product, you usually post on here with the new innovations in light technology from MB-Sub which is great. But looking at the LED cable light model you have on display here it has a open ended rotary bezel switch which will allow sand and sediment deposits to corrode the magnet in the switch if the magnet is exposed ? which will within time move the magnet further away from the internal contacts leading to possible light failures. The ethos of DIR is to keep it as simple as possible i.e a on/off fixed wire toggle switch. __________________ Im not ginger im sandy gold

December 10th, 2009, 01:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
mbsub(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cologne Posts: 49	Quote: (Originally Posted by adrian.brown) Michael your torches look well thought out and a quality product, you usually post on here with the new innovations in light technology from MB-Sub which is great. But looking at the LED cable light model you have on display here it has a open ended rotary bezel switch which will allow sand and sediment deposits to corrode the magnet in the switch if the magnet is exposed ? which will within time move the magnet further away from the internal contacts leading to possible light failures. The ethos of DIR is to keep it as simple as possible i.e a on/off fixed wire toggle switch. I am agree your point of view, if its conducive for security. But its a question of security too, that you can adjust the light power and the light beam. The magnet is completly closed from silikon and cannot corrode. I know the problems, but i told you that good solutions needs brain. I am shure that we send this LED-system for testing next year to GB. Michael __________________ Last edited by mbsub; December 11th, 2009 at 11:02 AM..

December 10th, 2009, 01:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
adrian.brown(Offline) U.K's first XK1 owner :) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somerset. United Kingdom Posts: 602	Quote: (Originally Posted by mbsub) I am shure that we send this LED-system for testing next year to GB. Michael Thank you Michael for making it clear about the sealed magnet, I look forward to reading the test data after its been tested by an unbiased team of tech divers here in the U.K. Thanks, Adrian __________________ Im not ginger im sandy gold