Defensive/sensitive. Good/bad

Martin Burnard · October 4th, 2008, 01:53 PM

I notice that the forum produces some very knee jerk reactions to alot of things resulting in defensive sometimes aggressive posting especially relating to :-

Equipment manufacturer choice
Agency choice
Individuals

It often seems out of all proportion to me.

Am I the only one who would like to see a little more positive on the forum, and a little less negative?

Over all the forum excels. Let's build on the good.

Happy diving

Martin

*Brian Allen* · October 5th, 2008, 10:39 AM

Martin's right, we don't half bitch on here sometimes...

Suppose people get passionate about their passions.

Adrian Kelland · October 5th, 2008, 10:58 AM

Is this a Plymouth thing?

finbar.taylor · October 5th, 2008, 12:19 PM

On this forum I would say it's a bad thing.

The perception of DIR/GUE is that it is a joke.
Personaly I'll never be DIR ( I think it's bolocks as every thing is a compramise so how can it be right) and I'll never be 100% GUE, I may persue GUE training but will never adopt comletely. That said I think GUE has a lot to offer and will listen and take what ever I can from the agency, just the same as I'll continue to do from, TDI, IANTD, BSAC, PADI ......

BAck to why it's a bad thing is a GUE "fundamentalist" makes a laughing stock of the entire training organisation. they created the stero typlical image of DIR and still feed wood to the flames, I must have missed it on my course but there appearsto be a part in the pre course reading that makes you preach to any one who will listen, and shout to any one who don't want to listen. Once attending a Tec or cave course this need seams to have been removed (mostly) and the people become normal again, stop forcing their views down peoples necks and become responcive to new ideas again.
Just my views

Fin

*Brian Allen* · October 5th, 2008, 05:02 PM

Show me a dir fundamentalist preaching about how good they're course was and I'll show you an Open water or Ocean diver raving about how good diving is, or a UW photographer going on about how good their new camera is, or maybe an O3 drysuit owner going on and on about how good O3 is...

the problem is the people that take offence. It's only natural that when someone discovers something new that they like, they enthuse about it.

Lol, it's just a hobby Fin, and we all do it in different ways.

In the famous words of Ian Flemming... Live and let dive

Dun · October 6th, 2008, 08:58 PM

It is good to hear another opinion about this, and of course we are all passionate about what we do (took the words right out of my mouth, Brian

).

I'd also like to point out that there are arseholes in every agency, they are not GUE-specific.

Myself... well... I like just about everybody. I like people for who they are, not how they dive. It doesn't mean I would necessarily do a dive with everyone I like, but they are still people, and I will show them the same respect that they show me.

I like what Brian said, that Ian said... "Live and let dive."

PeterB · October 6th, 2008, 09:49 PM

As I've said before, I'm back to diving, too far from the sea, new to DIR and, it has to be said I can get a bit serious at times.

All that done and dusted I reckon it's a pretty sound diving forum without excessive crap.

Gets my vote anyway.

**Howard Payne** · October 6th, 2008, 10:00 PM

P*ss off Burnard

Your mum smells....

*Sawyer* · October 6th, 2008, 11:30 PM

Non-Violent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg, Ph.D.

Martin Burnard · October 7th, 2008, 03:05 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Howard Payne)

P*ss off Burnard

Your mum smells....

If yo want to discuss my mum...... start a new thread!!!

October 4th, 2008, 01:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Martin Burnard(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 580	Defensive/sensitive. Good/bad I notice that the forum produces some very knee jerk reactions to alot of things resulting in defensive sometimes aggressive posting especially relating to :- Equipment manufacturer choice Agency choice Individuals It often seems out of all proportion to me. Am I the only one who would like to see a little more positive on the forum, and a little less negative? Over all the forum excels. Let's build on the good. Happy diving Martin __________________ I once enjoyed a sado-masachistic frenzy of total tintintabulation leading to a state of metampsychosis... or did I make that up? www.bananafrogcars.co.uk

October 5th, 2008, 10:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Brian Allen(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London & Plymouth Posts: 594	Martin's right, we don't half bitch on here sometimes... Suppose people get passionate about their passions. __________________ ...dive planning again ... GUE fundamentals and Halcyon Equipment Online www.ocean-explorers.co.uk

October 5th, 2008, 10:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Adrian Kelland(Offline) Can't remember Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Exeter - Team of 1 Posts: 267	Is this a Plymouth thing? __________________ The Diving Encyclopaedia Exeter BSAC Royal National Lifeboat Institution UK Transplant Register

October 5th, 2008, 05:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Brian Allen(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London & Plymouth Posts: 594	Show me a dir fundamentalist preaching about how good they're course was and I'll show you an Open water or Ocean diver raving about how good diving is, or a UW photographer going on about how good their new camera is, or maybe an O3 drysuit owner going on and on about how good O3 is... the problem is the people that take offence. It's only natural that when someone discovers something new that they like, they enthuse about it. Lol, it's just a hobby Fin, and we all do it in different ways. In the famous words of Ian Flemming... Live and let dive __________________ ...dive planning again ... GUE fundamentals and Halcyon Equipment Online www.ocean-explorers.co.uk

October 6th, 2008, 08:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dun(Offline) Giddyup Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 176	It is good to hear another opinion about this, and of course we are all passionate about what we do (took the words right out of my mouth, Brian ). I'd also like to point out that there are arseholes in every agency, they are not GUE-specific. Myself... well... I like just about everybody. I like people for who they are, not how they dive. It doesn't mean I would necessarily do a dive with everyone I like, but they are still people, and I will show them the same respect that they show me. I like what Brian said, that Ian said... "Live and let dive." __________________ Chantelle We Go Down http://www.youtube.com/wegodown MY BLOGGY THING

October 5th, 2008, 12:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
finbar.taylor(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Guildford Posts: 85	On this forum I would say it's a bad thing. The perception of DIR/GUE is that it is a joke. Personaly I'll never be DIR ( I think it's bolocks as every thing is a compramise so how can it be right) and I'll never be 100% GUE, I may persue GUE training but will never adopt comletely. That said I think GUE has a lot to offer and will listen and take what ever I can from the agency, just the same as I'll continue to do from, TDI, IANTD, BSAC, PADI ...... BAck to why it's a bad thing is a GUE "fundamentalist" makes a laughing stock of the entire training organisation. they created the stero typlical image of DIR and still feed wood to the flames, I must have missed it on my course but there appearsto be a part in the pre course reading that makes you preach to any one who will listen, and shout to any one who don't want to listen. Once attending a Tec or cave course this need seams to have been removed (mostly) and the people become normal again, stop forcing their views down peoples necks and become responcive to new ideas again. Just my views Fin

October 6th, 2008, 09:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
PeterB(Offline) New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kendal UK Posts: 61	As I've said before, I'm back to diving, too far from the sea, new to DIR and, it has to be said I can get a bit serious at times. All that done and dusted I reckon it's a pretty sound diving forum without excessive crap. Gets my vote anyway.

October 6th, 2008, 10:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Howard Payne(Offline) Strokey Dokily Doo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,202	P*ss off Burnard Your mum smells.... __________________ The Foxturd Chimp

October 6th, 2008, 11:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Sawyer(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 25	Nvc Non-Violent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg, Ph.D. __________________ _______________________ Alexander "Sasha" Sawyer GUE Recreational Instructor

October 7th, 2008, 03:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Martin Burnard(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 580	Quote: (Originally Posted by Howard Payne) P*ss off Burnard Your mum smells.... If yo want to discuss my mum...... start a new thread!!! __________________ I once enjoyed a sado-masachistic frenzy of total tintintabulation leading to a state of metampsychosis... or did I make that up? www.bananafrogcars.co.uk