eey_ore_9(Offline)

Having recently done my fundies and going on to do tech 1 this year and being an advocate of the GUE principal of training i was wondering what everyones stance, belief,opinion and objectiveness is, on this from bsac. (Im in a bsac club as well as being GUE trained).

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Hope this is in the right part of the forum

NickB(Offline)

When I was a member of Bracknell BSAC, I used to get a bit of ribbing from a few of the more 'traditional' members. In the main, most people were fine with it and some were keen enough to explore it for themselves.

Devon Rob(Offline)

If you think I`m joining the BSAC Forum just to read what their opinions on the long hose are...then you`re as misguided as they are!

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eey_ore_9(Offline)

I tried to find a direct link to the article but cant find one yet! How do I import an adobe file into my thread?

YBOD(Offline)

I am a member of a BSAC club and my wife and I have had a DIR config for the last 9 years. To start with we got ridiculed quite a lot however now there are about 10 members (out of 140) who have a full DIR config. Just need to get then to do a GUE course now (which I'm working on:-)

eey_ore_9(Offline)

Im the only dir diver in my club (the village) and others have taken concepts from my rig set up, couple of guys are going look at gue as well though. Only because i now make them look inadeqauate in the water lmao! Seriously my club is a good dive club and at first my kit was critisized a bit, but now its accepted and noted how it works extremely well.

Kev(Offline)

What is the gist of the article? There is obviously a lot of anti hog rig nonsense coming out of BSAC at the minute. This is a shame.

badger(Offline)

There has been a long running discussion on yorkshire divers about a BSAC statement on 'hog looping'
You can read the details for yourself over there (instructors forum from Lanny) but the bare bones are BSAC courses can be taught with a long hose, but not 'hog wrapped'/primary donate. They suggest a bungee.
It has to be secured another way. They don't care what you dive, just what you teach/are taught.

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Janos(Offline)

Remember that with BSAC, unlike GUE, there is no single view or consensus on the best way to dive. If you ask two BSAC members to describe their kit configuration and diving procedures you're likely to get two very different answers (unless the two BSAC members are John Kendall and Rich Walker of course!)

Recently, Mike Rowley, technical group lead, has sent a letter to all technical instructors saying that hog-looping should not be taught on BSAC courses. However Mike states that BSAC have no intention of banning hog-looping on non-instructional dives.

Personally I disagree with this, for several reasons. Although I don't dive deep on OC myself, and so hog-looping is not particularly relevant for my diving, I can see why many deep OC divers think it's sensible. More importantly I think one of the strengths of BSAC is that divers are exposed to a range of techniques and ways of doing things, then encouraged to make up their own minds. I like this.

I have a lot of time for Mike, and he undertakes some very adventurous dives in a very safe and well-thought through way. He's also done a lot to modernise BSAC technical diving, such as encouraging the use of Helium, help bring Nitrox into entry level training, and to place much more empthasis on both buoyancy and trim in the technical courses. It's just a shame that this hog-looping debacle has overshadowed all of this.

Janos

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Kev(Offline)

Exactly the point - this is no longer true is it? The BSAC single view now appears to be anything but hog looping for OC. Based on seemingly dubious trials by some mysterious GUE divers that nobody seems to know.

To be honest I think it is a shame for my friends that are BSAC members but it does not impact on me either way. I remain an independent soul.

Best

Kev