lift bag deployment - Page 2

Seydlitz · August 7th, 2008, 10:44 AM

It's so automatic these days I don't think as I pack

That might be OK until you forget something important !!!!!!!

Andy

*Rich Walker* · August 7th, 2008, 12:15 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by temple.bar)

Hi
could someone explain me the correct procedure to deploy a lift bag? is the same procedure used for smb? the bag is connected to the spool by a loop in the line (like smb) or by a boltsnap?
thanx!!!!!

Maybe I'm a bit confused. It's not impossible.

Are you asking how to use a lift bag for lifting heavy things from the sea bed, or to mark your position on the surface?

If you're using it to lift things, then the spool is not used. If you're using it as a marker, then the procedure is the same. However, in the UK certainly, using a lift bag as a marker, or vice versa, is not looked upon favourably. Boat skippers will often retrieve lift bags as they are expecting something heavy to be on the end of it, and of that heavy thing is you, then it can be problematic ;-)

Also, if you've used a marker buoy to lift something heavy, then the skipper may follow it thinking it's a diver. Which annoys them a bit.

Hope that helps,

Rich

temple.bar · August 7th, 2008, 04:53 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker)

Maybe I'm a bit confused. It's not impossible.

Are you asking how to use a lift bag for lifting heavy things from the sea bed, or to mark your position on the surface?

If you're using it to lift things, then the spool is not used. If you're using it as a marker, then the procedure is the same. However, in the UK certainly, using a lift bag as a marker, or vice versa, is not looked upon favourably. Boat skippers will often retrieve lift bags as they are expecting something heavy to be on the end of it, and of that heavy thing is you, then it can be problematic ;-)

Also, if you've used a marker buoy to lift something heavy, then the skipper may follow it thinking it's a diver. Which annoys them a bit.

Hope that helps,
Rich

Thankyou Rick...I asked for use a LB as marker in case of problems with the smb.

one more question: I usually dive with drysuit, single 15L steel cylinder and no deco cylinders..do you think that a liftbag would be a good backup in case of wing failure? if yes is the spool cave line strong enough to support a diver weight?

Seydlitz · August 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM

Don't Call him Rick !!!

If you weight yourself correctly you will not need to hang off anything including a liftbag .
You should be able to swim to the surface regardless of wing/suit failure ...

The internet diving guru's will be along shortly to give you a detailed explanation , However there is one on "Richs" site ..see Welcome to Wreck and Cave! at Wreck and Cave balanced Rig

HTH Andy

GLOC · August 7th, 2008, 05:22 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by temple.bar)

Thankyou Rick...I asked for use a LB as marker in case of problems with the smb.

one more question: I usually dive with drysuit, single 15L steel cylinder and no deco cylinders..do you think that a liftbag would be a good backup in case of wing failure? if yes is the spool cave line strong enough to support a diver weight?

That's what your drysuit is for

If you have a properly balanced rig, you only need either the drysuit or the wing to maintain bouyancy on the final stops or on the surface.

If you are really up the proverbial without a paddle, inflate the 4.5ft bag and lean on it like a swimming aid. Your buddy will of course have a bag too and that will be used to signal the pick-up boat

temple.bar · August 7th, 2008, 05:42 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Seydlitz)

Don't Call him Rick !!!

ehm...my apologize, Rich!!!

*Rich Walker* · August 7th, 2008, 06:17 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by temple.bar)

ehm...my apologize, Rich!!!

The others are quite correct. With a properly balanced configuration, the lift bag is not needed, especially with the drysuit.

Apology accepted. You weren't to know how it upsets me

Rich

**Howard Payne** · August 7th, 2008, 07:07 PM

He was answering to Miss Roxy on holiday last week

I'd put the 4 steel stages and the one ton lift bag back in the shed then - I was just packing the car for Plymouth.

That Afric China isn't just going to lift itself off the bottom now is it?

TobyFish · August 8th, 2008, 01:18 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker)

The others are quite correct. With a properly balanced configuration, the lift bag is not needed, especially with the drysuit.

Apology accepted. You weren't to know how it upsets me

Rich

And definitely don't call him Rick Waller

August 7th, 2008, 10:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
Seydlitz(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Never Far from a good Belgian Beer and a Crackwh*re Posts: 465	It's so automatic these days I don't think as I pack That might be OK until you forget something important !!!!!!! Andy Last edited by Seydlitz; August 7th, 2008 at 10:47 AM.

August 7th, 2008, 12:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rich Walker(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sheffield Posts: 308	Quote: (Originally Posted by temple.bar) Hi could someone explain me the correct procedure to deploy a lift bag? is the same procedure used for smb? the bag is connected to the spool by a loop in the line (like smb) or by a boltsnap? thanx!!!!! Maybe I'm a bit confused. It's not impossible. Are you asking how to use a lift bag for lifting heavy things from the sea bed, or to mark your position on the surface? If you're using it to lift things, then the spool is not used. If you're using it as a marker, then the procedure is the same. However, in the UK certainly, using a lift bag as a marker, or vice versa, is not looked upon favourably. Boat skippers will often retrieve lift bags as they are expecting something heavy to be on the end of it, and of that heavy thing is you, then it can be problematic ;-) Also, if you've used a marker buoy to lift something heavy, then the skipper may follow it thinking it's a diver. Which annoys them a bit. Hope that helps, Rich __________________ Education, Equipment, Experience GUE training with Rich Walker

August 7th, 2008, 05:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
GLOC(Offline) Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fleet, Hants Posts: 2,068	Quote: (Originally Posted by temple.bar) Thankyou Rick...I asked for use a LB as marker in case of problems with the smb. one more question: I usually dive with drysuit, single 15L steel cylinder and no deco cylinders..do you think that a liftbag would be a good backup in case of wing failure? if yes is the spool cave line strong enough to support a diver weight? That's what your drysuit is for If you have a properly balanced rig, you only need either the drysuit or the wing to maintain bouyancy on the final stops or on the surface. If you are really up the proverbial without a paddle, inflate the 4.5ft bag and lean on it like a swimming aid. Your buddy will of course have a bag too and that will be used to signal the pick-up boat __________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Travels Underwater and Further Afar If you don't have the time to do something right, where are you going to find the time to fix it? - Stephen King

August 7th, 2008, 06:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
Rich Walker(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sheffield Posts: 308	Quote: (Originally Posted by temple.bar) ehm...my apologize, Rich!!! The others are quite correct. With a properly balanced configuration, the lift bag is not needed, especially with the drysuit. Apology accepted. You weren't to know how it upsets me Rich __________________ Education, Equipment, Experience GUE training with Rich Walker

August 7th, 2008, 07:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
Howard Payne(Offline) Strokey Dokily Doo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,258	He was answering to Miss Roxy on holiday last week I'd put the 4 steel stages and the one ton lift bag back in the shed then - I was just packing the car for Plymouth. That Afric China isn't just going to lift itself off the bottom now is it? __________________ The Foxturd Chimp

August 7th, 2008, 04:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
temple.bar(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: ITALY Posts: 20	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker) Maybe I'm a bit confused. It's not impossible. Are you asking how to use a lift bag for lifting heavy things from the sea bed, or to mark your position on the surface? If you're using it to lift things, then the spool is not used. If you're using it as a marker, then the procedure is the same. However, in the UK certainly, using a lift bag as a marker, or vice versa, is not looked upon favourably. Boat skippers will often retrieve lift bags as they are expecting something heavy to be on the end of it, and of that heavy thing is you, then it can be problematic ;-) Also, if you've used a marker buoy to lift something heavy, then the skipper may follow it thinking it's a diver. Which annoys them a bit. Hope that helps, Rich Thankyou Rick...I asked for use a LB as marker in case of problems with the smb. one more question: I usually dive with drysuit, single 15L steel cylinder and no deco cylinders..do you think that a liftbag would be a good backup in case of wing failure? if yes is the spool cave line strong enough to support a diver weight?

August 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
Seydlitz(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Never Far from a good Belgian Beer and a Crackwh*re Posts: 465	Don't Call him Rick !!! If you weight yourself correctly you will not need to hang off anything including a liftbag . You should be able to swim to the surface regardless of wing/suit failure ... The internet diving guru's will be along shortly to give you a detailed explanation , However there is one on "Richs" site ..see Welcome to Wreck and Cave! at Wreck and Cave balanced Rig HTH Andy

August 7th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
temple.bar(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: ITALY Posts: 20	Quote: (Originally Posted by Seydlitz) Don't Call him Rick !!! ehm...my apologize, Rich!!!

August 8th, 2008, 01:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
TobyFish(Offline) Fine Upstanding Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Telford, UK Posts: 837	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker) The others are quite correct. With a properly balanced configuration, the lift bag is not needed, especially with the drysuit. Apology accepted. You weren't to know how it upsets me Rich And definitely don't call him Rick Waller __________________ Rude-boy Volvo "Gangsta Rollin' in me nine-six-oh"