ku1111(Offline)

Hi,

we had a discussion amongst our team concerning the order a OOG is handled. Appearantly we learned different things during our Fundamentals course.

I learned:
1 - donate longhose and goto backup
2 - OK OOG victim and nr 3
3 - Make sure that OOG victim's longhose is clipped away and reroute your own lightcord
4 - Make sure OOG victim has a firm grip on the regulator and deploy full longhose length
5 - call the dive, etc

My buddy learned:
1 - donate longhose and goto backup
2 - OK OOG victim and nr 3
3 - Make sure OOG victim has firm grip on longhose and deploy full longhose
4 - Clip away victim's regulator and reroute your own lightcord

We're especially interested in GUE instructor views on this matter

THNX

Marcel Kuiper

Andreas Rosland(Offline)

The S-Drill video from GUE is doing it your way. That is the way I also learned it in GUE-F. I think you will survive in either way you do it

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MonkSeal (Online)

Obviously, rerouting light cord must be done before trying to fully deploy long hose. Is it really hard to think about it?

rjack(Offline)

Really don't get too wrapped up in precise proceedures. We aren't robots. Just get them gas and organize/tidy up your gear (that may include: cameras, lightcords, long hoses which do/do not require removal (5ft hoses do not typically they are just under the armpit), scooters, wetnotes which happened to be out at the time, reels, stages, etc.)

Dun(Offline)

What is nr 3?

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LCF(Offline)

You can, actually, deploy the full length of the long hose and then reroute the light cord, because that's the way I learned it. But at my recent checkout dive for my tech pass, the instructor told us it would be much cleaner and nicer if we rerouted before deploying.

One, non-GUE note about all this: I just spent a weekend working with a NAUI cave instructor who happens to be a friend of mine, and she was adamant that the OOG diver had to have a hand on the long hose at all times after it is donated, to prevent it being pulled away. I found that made clipping off the dead regulator a little more challenging, but it's actually something that makes sense.

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Mal Bridgeman(Offline)

Hi Marcel

I am sure an Instructor will help but the OOG victim does not need to re-route his light cord.

HTH
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limeyx(Offline)

You can prolly remove the hand to clip off, but Danny will require the OOA diver to have a hand on the reg (and on the line if you are blind also) obviously if you temporarily remove it for a very short time it's not life-threatening, but you need to make sure it's not going to get yanked out as the donating diver behind wont have any idea the OOA diver has lost the reg probably (esp. in the dark)

if you clip off while facing the donating diver, then there is little chance of the donator ripping the hose out (unless there is crappy buoyancy or no lights

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ku1111(Offline)

It is doable to first deploy the LH and that is what he learned. Obviously there are more DIR divers that learned it that way

Maybe you are right, but my take is that this is the one procedure that should be handled robotlike and uniformly in a team. If the OOG victim is near panic and the procedure does need (lengthy) communicating because it does not work as he/she expects you probably go from bad to worse

You're too funny, but I adjusted the text :-)

Keeping a firm grip on the regulator at all times is good practise I guess. Especially when in single file and/or in the dark when there is an increased chance that the regulator will get pulled at. However this still leaves us with a choice in the order of OOG steps

As a general note there are appearantly different views on how to handle the OOG. I really would like to hear the current GUE view. If it has changed over the years then some historic perspective may be useful as well

Thanks for all input so far

Marcel

ku1111(Offline)

Sorry, I was referring to team positions. Nr 3 in this case is the teammember that is not the donor nor the victim