Deep SMB Deployment

Dangerous Dan · April 22nd, 2007, 08:04 PM

Evening,

If the skipper asks you to bag up as soon as you hit bottom on lets say a drift dive and your spool doesn't have enough line, whats the GUE procedure on this?

Reel? if so which one,

Cheers,

Dan

GLOC · April 22nd, 2007, 08:07 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan)

Evening,

If the skipper asks you to bag up as soon as you hit bottom on lets say a drift dive and your spool doesn't have enough line, whats the GUE procedure on this?

Reel? if so which one,

Cheers,

Dan

Okay. I was taught not to answer a question with a question, but there is one which is crucial to answering yours

How deep is the drift dive?

TBH I would be doing a drift dive more than 30m because it is a waste of Helium

If you need to do a 30m drift dive, then I would use a 45m spool which will have plenty of give to take into account the running current.

Hope that answers your question.

Dangerous Dan · April 22nd, 2007, 08:09 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC)

Okay. I was taught not to answer a question with a question, but there is one which is crucial to answering yours

How deep is the drift dive?

TBH I would be doing a drift dive more than 30m because it is a waste of Helium

If you need to do a 30m drift dive, then I would use a 45m spool which will have plenty of give to take into account the running current.

Hope that answers your question.

Ok then,

Is there any situation where you would need to bag up from depth?

Dan

Gareth Burrows · April 22nd, 2007, 08:27 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan)

Ok then,

Is there any situation where you would need to bag up from depth?

Dan

yes, if the skipper absolutely insists on it. In case I would do as I was told, probably use one of our pathfinders to do the job.

GLOC · April 22nd, 2007, 08:28 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan)

Ok then,

Is there any situation where you would need to bag up from depth?

Dan

Yes there are times when the skipper says that you must bag up from the wreck. Iin which case you would use a reel. It is the same one which you would use for line laying such as a Halcyon Pathfinder 400 (400ft) or the Salvo equivalent.

You do not carry another reel such as one with a ratchet for use with bagging up. The reels above have a friction knob on them, which is all you really need to lock the reel off on stops.

Hope that provides a more sensible answer for you

DRE · April 22nd, 2007, 08:33 PM

Use a reel or clip two 150ft spools together...

Dangerous Dan · April 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM

I heard the pathfinders were a pain in the arse for baggin up though, is this true?

Another question, where do u stow the reel?

Cheers,

Dan

DRE · April 22nd, 2007, 08:48 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan)

I heard the pathfinders were a pain in the arse for baggin up though, is this true?

Another question, where do u stow the reel?

Cheers,

Dan

No

Stow on left hip d-ring

GLOC · April 22nd, 2007, 08:49 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan)

I heard the pathfinders were a pain in the arse for baggin up though, is this true?

Another question, where do u stow the reel?

Cheers,

Dan

They are only a pain in the arse for bagging up as they free run and you have to control the friction with your fingers. Practice makes perfect

No worse than people saying spools are a pain in the arse because they haven't practiced with them.

Quote: (Originally Posted by DRE)

No

Stow on left hip d-ring

Really? I have always been taught to stow the reel by clipping it off with a double ender on the butt-ring of the one piece harness.

DRE · April 22nd, 2007, 10:38 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC)

Really? I have always been taught to stow the reel by clipping it off with a double ender on the butt-ring of the one piece harness.

Depends - some people have a hard time reaching back there unclipping it, and also it could make for a nasty line entanglement hazard. I've done it both ways - clipped to the butt ring and waist and now prefer it waist clipped as I have found that the reel interferes with stage leash when pushing it back. I believe this issue was brought up within GUE as well after the Brittanic video where divers did have it clipped off to the butt but that it would interfere with towing multiple scooters, hence the waist position.

April 22nd, 2007, 08:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dangerous Dan(Offline) New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Plymouth, UK and also West Yorkshire Posts: 35	Deep SMB Deployment Evening, If the skipper asks you to bag up as soon as you hit bottom on lets say a drift dive and your spool doesn't have enough line, whats the GUE procedure on this? Reel? if so which one, Cheers, Dan

April 22nd, 2007, 08:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
GLOC (Online) Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fleet, Hants Posts: 1,963	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan) Evening, If the skipper asks you to bag up as soon as you hit bottom on lets say a drift dive and your spool doesn't have enough line, whats the GUE procedure on this? Reel? if so which one, Cheers, Dan Okay. I was taught not to answer a question with a question, but there is one which is crucial to answering yours How deep is the drift dive? TBH I would be doing a drift dive more than 30m because it is a waste of Helium If you need to do a 30m drift dive, then I would use a 45m spool which will have plenty of give to take into account the running current. Hope that answers your question. __________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Travels Underwater and Further Afar If you don't have the time to do something right, where are you going to find the time to fix it? - Stephen King

April 22nd, 2007, 08:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Gareth Burrows(Offline) Chimp 2 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Horsham, West Sussex Posts: 365	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan) Ok then, Is there any situation where you would need to bag up from depth? Dan yes, if the skipper absolutely insists on it. In case I would do as I was told, probably use one of our pathfinders to do the job. __________________ Garf Amusing and Clever Signature under construction.

April 22nd, 2007, 08:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
GLOC (Online) Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fleet, Hants Posts: 1,963	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan) Ok then, Is there any situation where you would need to bag up from depth? Dan Yes there are times when the skipper says that you must bag up from the wreck. Iin which case you would use a reel. It is the same one which you would use for line laying such as a Halcyon Pathfinder 400 (400ft) or the Salvo equivalent. You do not carry another reel such as one with a ratchet for use with bagging up. The reels above have a friction knob on them, which is all you really need to lock the reel off on stops. Hope that provides a more sensible answer for you __________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Travels Underwater and Further Afar If you don't have the time to do something right, where are you going to find the time to fix it? - Stephen King

April 22nd, 2007, 08:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
DRE(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mineola, NY Posts: 162	Use a reel or clip two 150ft spools together... __________________ www.dirtydiving.com - DIR is not a 4-letter word!

April 22nd, 2007, 08:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dangerous Dan(Offline) New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Plymouth, UK and also West Yorkshire Posts: 35	Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC) Okay. I was taught not to answer a question with a question, but there is one which is crucial to answering yours How deep is the drift dive? TBH I would be doing a drift dive more than 30m because it is a waste of Helium If you need to do a 30m drift dive, then I would use a 45m spool which will have plenty of give to take into account the running current. Hope that answers your question. Ok then, Is there any situation where you would need to bag up from depth? Dan

April 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dangerous Dan(Offline) New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Plymouth, UK and also West Yorkshire Posts: 35	I heard the pathfinders were a pain in the arse for baggin up though, is this true? Another question, where do u stow the reel? Cheers, Dan

April 22nd, 2007, 08:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
DRE(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mineola, NY Posts: 162	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan) I heard the pathfinders were a pain in the arse for baggin up though, is this true? Another question, where do u stow the reel? Cheers, Dan No Stow on left hip d-ring __________________ www.dirtydiving.com - DIR is not a 4-letter word!

April 22nd, 2007, 08:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
GLOC (Online) Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fleet, Hants Posts: 1,963	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan) I heard the pathfinders were a pain in the arse for baggin up though, is this true? Another question, where do u stow the reel? Cheers, Dan They are only a pain in the arse for bagging up as they free run and you have to control the friction with your fingers. Practice makes perfect No worse than people saying spools are a pain in the arse because they haven't practiced with them. Quote: (Originally Posted by DRE) No Stow on left hip d-ring Really? I have always been taught to stow the reel by clipping it off with a double ender on the butt-ring of the one piece harness. __________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Travels Underwater and Further Afar If you don't have the time to do something right, where are you going to find the time to fix it? - Stephen King

April 22nd, 2007, 10:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
DRE(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mineola, NY Posts: 162	Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC) Really? I have always been taught to stow the reel by clipping it off with a double ender on the butt-ring of the one piece harness. Depends - some people have a hard time reaching back there unclipping it, and also it could make for a nasty line entanglement hazard. I've done it both ways - clipped to the butt ring and waist and now prefer it waist clipped as I have found that the reel interferes with stage leash when pushing it back. I believe this issue was brought up within GUE as well after the Brittanic video where divers did have it clipped off to the butt but that it would interfere with towing multiple scooters, hence the waist position. __________________ www.dirtydiving.com - DIR is not a 4-letter word!