where to put a third stage

aleksi · December 4th, 2006, 02:13 PM

Hello!

What is the official GUE stand or your personal practice on diving with a third stage or deco cylinder? Where do you put it? I suppose I could just nose clip the oxygen to hip d-ring or start using a leash. A leash for just one bottle seems a little unnecessary though. Or can you fit all three in the normal position? With four bottles I would clearly go for the leash.

I am just planning ahead, not going to do dives outside my training. I am currently doing an IANTD normoxic class under old standards which covers the use of two deco bottles. (Not GUE trained at least yet because not available in Finland.)

-Aleksi

*Brian Allen* · December 4th, 2006, 02:24 PM

I think you just answered your own question.

Nose clip it to the left hip D-ring or use a leash. Personnally I prefer the leash option as if it's at all negative you can get the weight more central, also it makes moving stages around easier. This was how we did the dives on our Tech 2 course run by JJ and Richard Lundgren, so I asume is the preferred GUE way.

HTH

Brian

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · December 4th, 2006, 02:49 PM

Yes, nose clip it, but it is better to have it neutral so it dose not sag.
Personally, I like having no more than one tank under my arm at a time and the other 2 nose clipped and neutral bouyant.

aleksi · December 5th, 2006, 02:09 PM

Thanks for the fast reply's Brian and Ahmed!

I think your method of having only one tank double cliped and the rest on a leash sounds good, Ahmed. Thats also a good way to start practicing with a leash for carrying even more tanks in the future.

-Aleksi

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · December 22nd, 2006, 01:43 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by aleksi)

Thanks for the fast reply's Brian and Ahmed!

I think your method of having only one tank double cliped and the rest on a leash sounds good, Ahmed. Thats also a good way to start practicing with a leash for carrying even more tanks in the future.

-Aleksi

I am actually starting to write a manual (or at least a little one) on stage handling. The whole issue is very intruiging and is probably one of the greater limiting factors for divers.

Also, I have been including better stage handling in all my tech classes and it has been greatly appreciated by many.

The prefered methods of WKPP are best of all, as they are handling loads loads and loads of stages on their cave dives.
While in the open water, we don't need that many, their methods stil make it much easier.

*Clare Gledhill* · December 22nd, 2006, 10:10 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by aleksi)

What is the official GUE stand or your personal practice on diving with a third stage or deco cylinder?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC)

Personally, I like having no more than one tank under my arm at a time and the other 2 nose clipped and neutral bouyant.

Aleksi - Ahmed said personally this is what he likes to do. You may find that this suits you but it is not the official GUE stance. Two stages are carried up front and the third bottle is carried from the hip - either nose clipped or on a leash. If you do go down the path of GUE training this is what you will be asked to do.

*Hassan Adly* · December 22nd, 2006, 11:00 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill)

Aleksi - Ahmed said personally this is what he likes to do. You may find that this suits you but it is not the official GUE stance. Two stages are carried up front and the third bottle is carried from the hip - either nose clipped or on a leash. If you do go down the path of GUE training this is what you will be asked to do.

+1

After going through the Tech 2 training I found that keeping two cylinders in the front and having the third on the leash is the better solution.

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · December 22nd, 2006, 11:18 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill)

Aleksi - Ahmed said personally this is what he likes to do. You may find that this suits you but it is not the official GUE stance. Two stages are carried up front and the third bottle is carried from the hip - either nose clipped or on a leash. If you do go down the path of GUE training this is what you will be asked to do.

I heard about this before. But I really find it to be a little tight for me.
What advantages are there for having 2 stages in the front?

**Alastair** · December 23rd, 2006, 12:27 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC)

I heard about this before. But I really find it to be a little tight for me.
What advantages are there for having 2 stages in the front?

Makes the gas switches easier. If you've a bottom stage, 50% and 100% then you typically ascend off the bottom on back gas as the stage has run out. As you reach the gas switch at 21m the 50% is already in the right place. Your switches onto deco gas are then longer than previous stops so you've plenty of time to then move the bottom stage back and 100% up.

If you had two on the leash then you've got some mucking about to do before the gas switch. Assume worst case and you've got an OOG diver on your long hose - do you rely both want to be stressed and bottling juggling (with the risk of dropping one) in that situation? If the next bottle is there then your buddy knows it's there then it's less stressful.

Cheers
Al

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · December 23rd, 2006, 12:46 AM

Thanks. That sounds pretty reasonable.

December 4th, 2006, 02:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
aleksi(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 88	where to put a third stage Hello! What is the official GUE stand or your personal practice on diving with a third stage or deco cylinder? Where do you put it? I suppose I could just nose clip the oxygen to hip d-ring or start using a leash. A leash for just one bottle seems a little unnecessary though. Or can you fit all three in the normal position? With four bottles I would clearly go for the leash. I am just planning ahead, not going to do dives outside my training. I am currently doing an IANTD normoxic class under old standards which covers the use of two deco bottles. (Not GUE trained at least yet because not available in Finland.) -Aleksi

December 4th, 2006, 02:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Brian Allen(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London & Plymouth Posts: 594	I think you just answered your own question. Nose clip it to the left hip D-ring or use a leash. Personnally I prefer the leash option as if it's at all negative you can get the weight more central, also it makes moving stages around easier. This was how we did the dives on our Tech 2 course run by JJ and Richard Lundgren, so I asume is the preferred GUE way. HTH Brian __________________ ...dive planning again ... GUE fundamentals and Halcyon Equipment Online www.ocean-explorers.co.uk

December 4th, 2006, 02:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	Yes, nose clip it, but it is better to have it neutral so it dose not sag. Personally, I like having no more than one tank under my arm at a time and the other 2 nose clipped and neutral bouyant. __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com

December 22nd, 2006, 01:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	Quote: (Originally Posted by aleksi) Thanks for the fast reply's Brian and Ahmed! I think your method of having only one tank double cliped and the rest on a leash sounds good, Ahmed. Thats also a good way to start practicing with a leash for carrying even more tanks in the future. -Aleksi I am actually starting to write a manual (or at least a little one) on stage handling. The whole issue is very intruiging and is probably one of the greater limiting factors for divers. Also, I have been including better stage handling in all my tech classes and it has been greatly appreciated by many. The prefered methods of WKPP are best of all, as they are handling loads loads and loads of stages on their cave dives. While in the open water, we don't need that many, their methods stil make it much easier. __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com Last edited by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC; December 22nd, 2006 at 01:46 PM.

December 22nd, 2006, 10:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Clare Gledhill(Offline) GUE Instructor Site Admin Pacman Champion! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,541	Quote: (Originally Posted by aleksi) What is the official GUE stand or your personal practice on diving with a third stage or deco cylinder? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC) Personally, I like having no more than one tank under my arm at a time and the other 2 nose clipped and neutral bouyant. Aleksi - Ahmed said personally this is what he likes to do. You may find that this suits you but it is not the official GUE stance. Two stages are carried up front and the third bottle is carried from the hip - either nose clipped or on a leash. If you do go down the path of GUE training this is what you will be asked to do. __________________ Clare . "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions....Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you too can become great." Interested in DIR dive training? Always happy to chat/answer questions so get in touch via PM or visit www.dirdiver.co.uk

December 5th, 2006, 02:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
aleksi(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 88	Thanks for the fast reply's Brian and Ahmed! I think your method of having only one tank double cliped and the rest on a leash sounds good, Ahmed. Thats also a good way to start practicing with a leash for carrying even more tanks in the future. -Aleksi

December 22nd, 2006, 11:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hassan Adly(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Red Sea Posts: 287	Quote: (Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill) Aleksi - Ahmed said personally this is what he likes to do. You may find that this suits you but it is not the official GUE stance. Two stages are carried up front and the third bottle is carried from the hip - either nose clipped or on a leash. If you do go down the path of GUE training this is what you will be asked to do. +1 After going through the Tech 2 training I found that keeping two cylinders in the front and having the third on the leash is the better solution. __________________ Hassan Adly Red Sea Discovery "Today I will finally see the sea again, which will smell of salt, wind, sand - and the cold of winter. Finally I will not only travel on it but dive in it, again I will become water, a bird - and I will remember the feeling of gliding above the abyss" Elena Sundukova, tragically lost at sea, January 2007

December 22nd, 2006, 11:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	Quote: (Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill) Aleksi - Ahmed said personally this is what he likes to do. You may find that this suits you but it is not the official GUE stance. Two stages are carried up front and the third bottle is carried from the hip - either nose clipped or on a leash. If you do go down the path of GUE training this is what you will be asked to do. I heard about this before. But I really find it to be a little tight for me. What advantages are there for having 2 stages in the front? __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com

December 23rd, 2006, 12:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
Alastair(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 693	Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC) I heard about this before. But I really find it to be a little tight for me. What advantages are there for having 2 stages in the front? Makes the gas switches easier. If you've a bottom stage, 50% and 100% then you typically ascend off the bottom on back gas as the stage has run out. As you reach the gas switch at 21m the 50% is already in the right place. Your switches onto deco gas are then longer than previous stops so you've plenty of time to then move the bottom stage back and 100% up. If you had two on the leash then you've got some mucking about to do before the gas switch. Assume worst case and you've got an OOG diver on your long hose - do you rely both want to be stressed and bottling juggling (with the risk of dropping one) in that situation? If the next bottle is there then your buddy knows it's there then it's less stressful. Cheers Al __________________ Helium is our friend - GI3

December 23rd, 2006, 12:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	Thanks. That sounds pretty reasonable. __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com