Jecowling(Offline)

I know you're only trying to help clarify some things (thanks), but I repeat...

Helloooooo...ellooo...llooo... are there any out there? Or is it too tedious talking to all the little people who just don't understand?

Jen

TobyFish (Online)

I think you're being a little harsh. Hassan posted Jarrod's message inviting discussion. I don't think it's inappropriate to ask people to ask their questions in one place rather than have GUE trawl for every DIR discussion group on the net to collate any issues (hence the original closed thread)

It makes sense to me that this forum is used to react to and discuss these changes and then one or two of the GUE illuminati here, take any outrstanding concerns back to GUE through prescribed channels

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JohnKendall(Offline)

Ok I,ll take a shot. As far as pockets are concerned it,s a small detail. Does it matter where your SMB goes? Not really, however it is better to have a standard which makes it easy on the team to know where team resources are than no standard at all. Once it's decided to have a standard then I think it makes sense to have Safety stuff right as it is slightly easier to get to and you will need to do it in a hurry, and utility left where you have as much time as you like to get to the pocket which isn't really blocked by multiple stages. Personally I've always had my SMB in my left pocket and never hada problem getting past stages to get to it.

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GLOC(Offline)

Thanks for that John.

However, I think the S-Drill is the one which causes the most concern from the thinking diver fraternity. Why teach something in the beginning which more than likely can be dropped as you get more experienced?

I can't see the guys doing the big pushes asking their buddy or support diver to hold the 2nd stage while they stow a hose following a modified S- or S-drill

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Brian Allen(Offline)

The new S-drill was not a GUE standard. Only a couple of the GUE Instructor Trainers taught their students this method to create better team awareness at a Fundamentals level. Personnally I will continue stowing the hose while holding my own reg, as I was taught on the ITC until told otherwise.

EDIT: Ignore this post it looks like I've now been told... see the post by GUE Administration

RE-EDIT: Actually there are 2 methods as per JKs later post, I will continue with the restow the same way i always have.

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GLOC(Offline)

Sorry Brian, but that seems like a GUE standard to me.

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Jecowling(Offline)

Erm... that's exactly what I meant. I'm not expecting the procedures to change based on GUE trawling the internet for responses, but simply that we need to understand the changes as thoroughly as possible in order to be able to accept/defend them, and to hear those reasons from the very instructors who debated their introduction and who presumably asked the same questions we're all asking.

There just seems to have been a lack of places to get detailed, official replies - so far there have been lots of questions and no detailed answers from GUE instructors, just deleted and closed threads (thanks Hassan for opening this one). It may have been a little harsh since many of the instructors are presumably still in Florida... but I for one am feeling increasingly patronised by the way the changes were disseminated and the treatment that legitimate questions received. John Kendall has made a lovely start to redress that.

Jen

TobyFish (Online)

Is there such a lack? At the moment there's exactly one place to get that information... Follow Hassan's link and if you are a GUE member, then you can ask questions and get clarification.

"1" seems like exactly the right number of authorative sources

I think your're right though - there is a problem with dissemination. This wasn't really GUE's fault though. They were put on the back foot by the fact that the "changes" were posted on this newsgroup before they were ratified. It's not really GUE's job to firefight speculation on this forum caused by that.

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Janos(Offline)

I don't suppose they mentioned MP3 players did they... No... Bah. Where's that tumbleweed when you need it...

I can see the advantages of carrying the backup stuff in the most easily accessible pocket though. I always used to keep my spare mask in my left, but I might change it to the right now and keep my SMB in the left.

I think there's some merit in configuring kit for easiest use in an emergency.

Janos

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Howard Payne(Offline)

My TLS 350 suit has the small right and bigger bellows left pocket and I've always kept the "using it" stuff in the left and the safety stuff in the right, even with my old non DUI suit. I think the suits were designed this way because obviously in a cave you don't need all those bulky DSMB's.
Small right pocket on a DUI suit is a PITA for ocean diving and I'll be changing it as soon as I can bear to go throught the three ring circus that is sending your suit to Hydrotech again.
Standardising this does make sense IMHO - I can forsee circumstances where you might need to get at something in a team member's pocket - pretty unlikely though.

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