Updates from GUE - Lampheads

*JohnKendall* · November 24th, 2005, 11:35 AM

Hi All,

I'm going to send out a few posts with some of the updates that I gleaned from the ITC and my time in FL. Hopefully you'll find them useful, or at least interesting. Please note, These are not my ideas, I am happy to try and give you the reasoning behind them as I understand them.

Clips on Light Head - It has been standardised to be one small boltsnap tied to the goodman handle and a small bungy loop on the back of the ballast. You should have a Double Ender that can be used on the back of the ballast. AIUI this should be kept in a pocket until needed.

J

*Clare Gledhill* · November 24th, 2005, 01:55 PM

Hmmm... and I was told last week that it had been standardised to two boltsnaps (one front and one back) :D

What do people here do - and why?

*JohnKendall* · November 24th, 2005, 01:59 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG)

Hmmm... and I was told last week that it had been standardised to two boltsnaps (one front and one back)

Really, Who by?:D

Quote:

What do people here do - and why?

Currently I have to admit to only having the boltsnap on the handle. Mostly as I've only just got the HID head and haven't yet put a loop on the back. Might have to do that at the weekend.

J

***ericfine50*** · November 24th, 2005, 01:59 PM

I use two bolt snaps. One on the Goodman, one of the gland right behind the ballast. I was thinking of trying the bungie loop, but am a bit leary of losing double enders on a regular basis

Eric

graham_hk · November 24th, 2005, 02:08 PM

Personally I took my ballast clip off when I did Cave 1 and 2 and whilst this wasn't a problem for Cave 1 it was a real PITA for C2. In C1 the light is either in your hand or stowed however in C2 where you are doing switches it was a pain having the light hanging around (as it does when clipped by the handle)...

I think if you need a loop at the ballast (useful for switches etc) then you need a clip. You could spend hours fiddling for a double ender and attaching to the loop etc only to cock it up and drop the light head and pop goes the bulb :-(

To coin a phrase of David Rhea (I am quoting his phrase not what he siad about the clip) - It is retarted to put a loop there, put a clip :D

Graham

*JohnKendall* · November 24th, 2005, 02:36 PM

This is what JJ had to say on the matter on quest a little while ago.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Jarrod Jablonski on quest)

The primary thing that I do not like about swapping the double end clip from
front to back is that it hangs a bit lower when you need to stow the light
such as in a failed situation or when done diving it in open water. In
smaller cave this seems more likely to drag or catch; in open water it is
more likely to catch or smash into something when getting out of the boat. I
prefer a fixed clip to the front as this is the more critical attachment.
Previously I tried fixed clips at both locations and tucked the clip under a
band around the ballast. This was ok but less ideal.

Regarding the double end clip in the back I usually have it attached to the
dring. If the cave is small I use one of the light bands to hold it down
against the backup light. I prefer to use the smallest double ender
available so that if I am using it regularly such as scooter survey you can
leave it on the light between shots and then remove for the exit.

Jarrod Jablonski

President/Director of Training www.gue.com

CEO Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net

CEO EE www.extreme-exposure.com

*Clare Gledhill* · November 24th, 2005, 02:39 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk)

I think if you need a loop at the ballast (useful for switches etc) then you need a clip. You could spend hours fiddling for a double ender and attaching to the loop etc only to cock it up and drop the light head and pop goes the bulb :-(

My thoughts exactly.

I don't want to be fumbling in my pocket on an ascent to get out a double ender to clip off my light before a gas switch...

I know that others (Andy Carroll for example) believe that you should retain your light in your hand when switching or bagging off - clipping it off only when not in use - but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this.

*JohnKendall* · November 24th, 2005, 02:43 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG)

I know that others (Andy Carroll for example) believe that you should retain your light in your hand when switching or bagging off - clipping it off only when not in use - but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this.

This is basically what I do. Although it did get commented on on the ITC. I'd rather learn and practice doing everything with my light in my hand, for when I need to do it that way (Bagging off in the dark for example)

J

Divingniknaks · November 24th, 2005, 02:50 PM

Well, having seen all sorts of methods my customers have sent my pics of, some of which I shudder at :D

I'd have thought 2 1/2" Boltsnaps (or even 3/4") one on the handle and one "carefully" positioned on the gland at the back would be the best to be honest.

I really dont see the idea of fiddling about trying to locate a dbl ender as a good idea, surely you just want to get it clipped off with a minumum of fuss ?

The one on the back only being there for bagging off, or gas switches and so that you don;t blind someone surely ? For exiting the water I use the one on the handle, which avoids the risk of it clanging into something.

But, I'll bow to those on here with greater experience and knowledge if I'm wrong, but on this I'm gonna take some convincing.

Cheers for the feedback though John, nice to see what kind of things get discussed.

.

graham_hk · November 24th, 2005, 02:52 PM

Sounds like a recipe for dazzling your buddies and knit one pearl one :D

I can switch one handed and scooter but its a CF waiting to happen...

November 24th, 2005, 11:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,100	Updates from GUE - Lampheads Hi All, I'm going to send out a few posts with some of the updates that I gleaned from the ITC and my time in FL. Hopefully you'll find them useful, or at least interesting. Please note, These are not my ideas, I am happy to try and give you the reasoning behind them as I understand them. Clips on Light Head - It has been standardised to be one small boltsnap tied to the goodman handle and a small bungy loop on the back of the ballast. You should have a Double Ender that can be used on the back of the ballast. AIUI this should be kept in a pocket until needed. J

November 24th, 2005, 01:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Clare Gledhill(Offline) GUE Instructor Site Admin Pacman Champion! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,541	Hmmm... and I was told last week that it had been standardised to two boltsnaps (one front and one back) :D What do people here do - and why? __________________ Clare . "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions....Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you too can become great." Interested in DIR dive training? Always happy to chat/answer questions so get in touch via PM or visit www.dirdiver.co.uk

November 24th, 2005, 02:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Clare Gledhill(Offline) GUE Instructor Site Admin Pacman Champion! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,541	Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk) I think if you need a loop at the ballast (useful for switches etc) then you need a clip. You could spend hours fiddling for a double ender and attaching to the loop etc only to cock it up and drop the light head and pop goes the bulb :-( My thoughts exactly. I don't want to be fumbling in my pocket on an ascent to get out a double ender to clip off my light before a gas switch... I know that others (Andy Carroll for example) believe that you should retain your light in your hand when switching or bagging off - clipping it off only when not in use - but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this. __________________ Clare . "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions....Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you too can become great." Interested in DIR dive training? Always happy to chat/answer questions so get in touch via PM or visit www.dirdiver.co.uk

November 24th, 2005, 02:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,038	Well, having seen all sorts of methods my customers have sent my pics of, some of which I shudder at :D I'd have thought 2 1/2" Boltsnaps (or even 3/4") one on the handle and one "carefully" positioned on the gland at the back would be the best to be honest. I really dont see the idea of fiddling about trying to locate a dbl ender as a good idea, surely you just want to get it clipped off with a minumum of fuss ? The one on the back only being there for bagging off, or gas switches and so that you don;t blind someone surely ? For exiting the water I use the one on the handle, which avoids the risk of it clanging into something. But, I'll bow to those on here with greater experience and knowledge if I'm wrong, but on this I'm gonna take some convincing. Cheers for the feedback though John, nice to see what kind of things get discussed. . __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com

November 24th, 2005, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,100	Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG) Hmmm... and I was told last week that it had been standardised to two boltsnaps (one front and one back) Really, Who by?:D Quote: What do people here do - and why? Currently I have to admit to only having the boltsnap on the handle. Mostly as I've only just got the HID head and haven't yet put a loop on the back. Might have to do that at the weekend. J

November 24th, 2005, 01:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
*ericfine50*(Offline) Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MA Posts: 622	I use two bolt snaps. One on the Goodman, one of the gland right behind the ballast. I was thinking of trying the bungie loop, but am a bit leary of losing double enders on a regular basis Eric

November 24th, 2005, 02:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
graham_hk(Offline) Pinoy ako pinoy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: here, there and everywhere Posts: 779	Personally I took my ballast clip off when I did Cave 1 and 2 and whilst this wasn't a problem for Cave 1 it was a real PITA for C2. In C1 the light is either in your hand or stowed however in C2 where you are doing switches it was a pain having the light hanging around (as it does when clipped by the handle)... I think if you need a loop at the ballast (useful for switches etc) then you need a clip. You could spend hours fiddling for a double ender and attaching to the loop etc only to cock it up and drop the light head and pop goes the bulb :-( To coin a phrase of David Rhea (I am quoting his phrase not what he siad about the clip) - It is retarted to put a loop there, put a clip :D Graham

November 24th, 2005, 02:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,100	This is what JJ had to say on the matter on quest a little while ago. Quote: (Originally Posted by Jarrod Jablonski on quest) The primary thing that I do not like about swapping the double end clip from front to back is that it hangs a bit lower when you need to stow the light such as in a failed situation or when done diving it in open water. In smaller cave this seems more likely to drag or catch; in open water it is more likely to catch or smash into something when getting out of the boat. I prefer a fixed clip to the front as this is the more critical attachment. Previously I tried fixed clips at both locations and tucked the clip under a band around the ballast. This was ok but less ideal. Regarding the double end clip in the back I usually have it attached to the dring. If the cave is small I use one of the light bands to hold it down against the backup light. I prefer to use the smallest double ender available so that if I am using it regularly such as scooter survey you can leave it on the light between shots and then remove for the exit. Jarrod Jablonski President/Director of Training www.gue.com CEO Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net CEO EE www.extreme-exposure.com

November 24th, 2005, 02:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,100	Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG) I know that others (Andy Carroll for example) believe that you should retain your light in your hand when switching or bagging off - clipping it off only when not in use - but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this. This is basically what I do. Although it did get commented on on the ITC. I'd rather learn and practice doing everything with my light in my hand, for when I need to do it that way (Bagging off in the dark for example) J

November 24th, 2005, 02:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
graham_hk(Offline) Pinoy ako pinoy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: here, there and everywhere Posts: 779	Sounds like a recipe for dazzling your buddies and knit one pearl one :D I can switch one handed and scooter but its a CF waiting to happen...