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Instructor: Clare Gledhill
Published by Chris Armstrong
May 6th, 2009
GUE: Fundamentals - Vobster - April 17th 2009 - CA

GUE Fundamentals Course – Vobster, Somerset – 17th April 2009
Pre-D-Day

I had been meeting up with various DIR characters in the couple of months running up to the fundamentals class. The likes of Howard Payne (getting my rig right), Gareth Lock (loaning me your HID torch and helping me in the pool), Rob Waran (for getting the diving experience) and Fourie (for more diving experience). I figured that I would need as much practice in the water as possible before the fundamentals class … I later learned that this is an understatement.

Also the amount of material that you get with the course is incredible! I thought it was very well written and very good quality. The bit about how smoking is bad was quite interesting … I would hate to have been a smoker signing on to that course…

I spent the duration of the course, plus several days beforehand at the Eden Vale B & B. It’s an interesting farm house. Note that if you are taller than about 5’5’’ then you are going to have a good time!

The vertically challenged will be ok, but for us that are vertically gifted will struggle – I managed to smash my face (note whole face!) on door frames at least twice a day! You won’t find one flat bit of floor in the entire place – in fact I’m positive my room was on a 30 degree slant. Door frames weren’t rectangular either, more of a four-sided polygon with each side a different length!

Barbara did manage to do some great fry-ups in the morning which was perfect for long days.

T minus 1 day

I had arranged to meet Howard Payne at Vobster Quay the day before the course to do some last minute dives to get myself comfortable in the water ready for the dark mistress…

The first two dives went great …. I thought that a recreational pass was mine for the taking and that the tech pass was in my grasp; the third dive depressed me when I couldn’t do a shut down of my valves and I couldn’t keep horizontal trim.

But I shook myself off and told myself that the course starts tomorrow – best be prepared and ready to learn!


Fundamentals - Day 1

I don’t do mornings … really I don’t! I took 30 mins of snoozing the alarm plus a phone call from the fiancée to get me up! So I staggered bleary eyed down the stairs to receive a fantastic fry up from Barbara at 8am. Soon after I meet one (unexpected) member of the course … Colin. He wasn’t on any of the emails! Colin was a last minute addition to the course. Colin is a more senior gentleman and has a couple of stories to be told.

Soon after, Richard Payne arrives and we get chatting about our diving and how we feel about the course. Clare soon arrives and introductions are made. Assisting Clare is John Grogan. My first impression of both Clare and John was surprise … when you read about “celebrities” such as these I was expecting GI3 type characters … but when I met them they are down to earth normal people! I also found out that GUE instructors get cold … so they are mortal after all …

Eventually the fourth student arrives … Stathis. I’m by far the youngest and most inexperienced of the group. Walking into the class at 20 with only 72 dives to my name. That eventually came back to haunt me. Coffee peculators are distributed and then the course officially starts at 9:30am.

A round the table introduction gives each other a quick insight into each other and why we want to go DIR. I wanted to do the course to become a better diver and become more proficient in the water. Colin, Richard and Stathis also gave their opinions too, which in general was similar in that they all wanted to become better in the water. Next was an introduction to DIR and GUE.

By far the most entertaining part was a demonstration of trim and balance. This involved balancing on your stomach on a chair. Clare, Richard, Colin and Stathis did this no problem. I’m last and I’m standing there contemplating how I would tell Barbara if I flattened a chair… I’m not the smallest of guys …

Thankfully, good old’ Somerset wood is strong and I manage to be able to feel the shift in balance when you move the position of your legs and head. The chair is in one piece … phew! Thank god there were no cameras in the room otherwise there would have been some entertaining pictures!

The lectures rolled on – I was particularly interested in the decompression lectures and how the DIR way of recreational deco is conducted. Rather than the typical “stop at 6m for 3 minutes” that most divers who have come up through PADI/BSAC know, this is more of a gradual/continual deco – known as Minimum Deco. At this point I started picking brains into the details of decompression at the levels Clare and John dive at. Wow it gets fun!

Then we rolled onto nitrox … of even more interest was the oxygen toxicity and the mechanisms behind it and why 32% is considered ideal for its balance of 02 content and reduction of nitrogen. How Sudafed decongestant tablets are proven to be exciters of oxygen toxicity, why PP02 should be kept as low as possible, how to track CNS % and OTU counts … At this point I could feel steam raising off my head … the knowledge to take in is immense and I considered myself quite wised up before walking into the class!

Lectures rolled onto minimum gas … why 50bar is absolutely useless! Even in twin-12! It’s incredible the amount of gas that is required to do a safe ascent from depth., at some point we all had to do the calculations, my minimum gas (in twin-12’s) for a 30m dive is set at 80bar. Even started on why pony bottles are just plain bad! Clare asked us what pressure we would turn a dive at – later it revealed that what we thought was safe … wasn’t! Colin revealed that he would end a dive at 80bar on a 15 … after crunching some numbers he decides to up it to 100!

John told a story of when he was doing a push dive in Ressel, he had left twin-18’s plus other safety reserves of gas as back up, when something went wrong and they decided to leave, they managed to burn through all that gas (that’s two twin-18’s at 240 bar … nearly 18,000 litres of gas purely for emergencies gone). Minimum gas calculations for Fundies level dives may seem a bit trivial, but it could save your life later on…

More lectures on trim, finning techniques, buoyancy characteristics, balanced rig … you name it we learned (well tried to absorb!) it. An interesting lecture was narcosis where Clare admitted to being narked at 3m. I found this truly ridiculous. 3m! I mean come on – admitting to being narked at 30m is understandable! In theory you are narked the minute you descend, the effect just increases with depth. However, thinking that when we do a deep dive where we are nervous and tense we usually feel more narked, the same process should apply shallow.

Looking back I am convinced I was narked at the 6m platform during the first two days diving on the course… I was stressed to the max and I can’t remember parts of the dive. Hmmm … I think helium is on its way soon as humanly possible…

We headed over to the pool for the swim test … after some issues with swim shorts (I’m not saying what!)… We get underway … determined to make up for my mistake and not to let Clare down, I give the swim test my all. Three deep breaths and then went for it. John was stood where the 15m mark is.

I didn’t bring my mask as I can see underwater and I can blink so I’m usually OK, however I could see the blur of lines in the pool. I saw a dark blur ahead of me, thinking that must be John’s legs…I kept swimming and kicking ... blow a bit of gas out to reduce CO2 ... keep going ... I was almost out of gas … my lungs burned but I kept going, that damn blur was miles away … must keep going, can’t fail on this … that blur aint getting closer …I kept going while I headed up to the surface. Ahhh fresh air and …. The pool wall?!?! I came up a few meters from the pool wall … I turned around to see John stood a fair distance behind me, he then says, you’re two inches short! Let’s just say that I said I wasn’t! I have to keep this PG rated even if what I said wasn’t! I felt quite good doing the majority of the length of pool! Take that GUE Standards!

Next the long distance swim. Colin did the swim test at full speed and did it in around 10 minutes, Richard took his time and did it in about 12 minutes, and Stathis was struggling in the pool, but did his best and lost count of the number of lengths and eventually did 13! I did the 11 lengths in about 9 minutes, so I kept going, determined to prove myself worthy. In the end I did 16. I’m beasting those GUE standards! Hopefully I can continue this performance when combined with a twinset ….

Next we practiced the back kick, I did it first time; however I was then showed a slightly better technique as I did it too fast, it took me two days before I could finally do it when kitted up in twins …

We got back for about 7:30pm and went to a local pub for tea.
Having characters like John Grogan and Clare Gledhill around is fascinating, especially hearing the stories of dives they’ve done.

Fundamentals – Day 2

We went out into the car park and learned the S-Drill. Actually quite a simple drill, but you have to really take your take and think. What we must have looked like to the people walking around nearby I have no idea.

We headed to Vobster at 9:30am. The plan was to dive at midday. Would you believe that my car broke down before I’d even left the B&B I was fortunate that Stathis hadn’t left yet so I loaned him my SatNav to get him to Vobster. Clare came back to pick me up.

Arriving late and already fuming I forgot to sign in at Vobster (which was a trend that continued on every day! I signed in and made sure I paid up correctly, thanks to Tim for putting up with me!)

We went through some more S-Drills, got kitted up and went in for our first dive!

Dive #1
Depth: 12.5m
Duration: 45 mins

The first dive was to try out the new finning techniques Frog Kick, Mod-Frog Kick, Flutter Kick and Mod-Flutter Kick. It was supposed to be a nice easy shake down dive. Pleasant swim round to the platforms, we go straight through a silt cloud where I lose my sense of direction and have a buoyant ascent … I get back down and carry on and arrive at the platforms. Clare demo-ed each kick and then we did laps around the platform with John on the video.

Everyone did OK although I had the problem of dropping my knee’s during the power phase of each kick. The back kick was a failure; I just couldn’t do a thing! I just stayed where I was, if anything I went forward and down!!

Next was no-mask swim … was not looking forward to this whatsoever. Richard led me well and gave me the all important feedback of where I was … managed to get my mask on and hey – still somewhere near the platform!

I ended up having some buoyancy issues as I was getting ready to lead Richard on a no-mask swim which resulted in massive stress and an equally massive CO2 hit (I learned this in the evening). Gas got to my feet and no matter what I did I couldn’t get comfortable, I was getting extremely stressed. Although my average SAC for this dive was 30 l/min, at this point I was hitting close to 70 l/min. Although I was panicked and stressed I tried my best to get it sorted, in the end I did a gradual ascent and surfaced with John where we relaxed for a bit – I could see everything with the appearance of fog/mist – a positive sign of C02 hit caused by stress and an ineffective breathing cycle.

I ended up chilling out with John who was being supportive. John’s got a great personality for relaxing you if you get pissed off with yourself he’s quite calming and after a bit of chilling and getting my breathing under control we descended to join the group – they had finished doing their skills – I have no idea what they did down there as I was more bothered about myself!

We ended the dive with an attempted 9m/min ascent to 3m, a stop then slow ascent upwards. I just went up and up and I felt horrible, I had two buoyant ascents, a stressed but vaguely controlled ascent, couldn’t do the drills, couldn’t do the finning techniques, couldn’t keep trim, couldn’t get comfortable, had floaty feet … I just wondered why I dived. But after feeling low and a chat with the fiancée I shaked myself down for dive #2 – I refused to be beaten – I would not quit at this. I was determined not to be beaten.

Dive #2
Depth: 12.5m
Duration: 55 mins

This dive was an attempt at the basic 5...

Step 1 – take your primary regulator out and put it back in – did ok.
Step 2 – take your primary regulator out, stow it and switch to back up – did ok.
Step 3 – deploy long hose, switch to back up, restow and return to primary – did ok.
Step 4 – Mask flood and clear – did ok.
Step 5 – Mask removal and refit – massive problem.

Doing step 5 horizontal compared to kneeling on the floor was freaking hard! I also had a bad habit of spitting my primary reg out when I took the mask off! Don’t understand why that happened! The first time I did this I floated up and had to be pushed down, the second time I did quite well and stayed within about a meter of starting point. Doing the second one took a bit of building myself up to – although I didn’t show it, I really hated having my mask off. In warm Florida waters I would open my eyes so at least I could see, even in a pool I can do it however the water was freezing and it gave me headaches when I had my mask off, so that wasn’t an option to me. In return it did panic me a bit. Which is why it took me so long to do it the second time.



Fundamentals Day 3

Dive #3
Depth: 6.4m
Duration: 49 mins

Clare ran us through the GUE EDGE acronym fully and we were demonstrated valve drills. Some of the local divers even started having a stab at Richard by saying that the benches were for kitting up, not running through drills and teaching. Once Clare found out she stormed off and gave them grief. I even noticed one bloke who kept shuffling over to us and then whenever I looked at him he would pretend to not look at us and look the other way … that guy wanted a free lesson.

This dive was all about S-drills and Valve-drills. We got in and did a left turn around the scaffolding to the deeper platforms. I was buddied up with Richard, I let him do the valve drill first, he did well looking very relaxed. Then it was my turn, for a bit of safety I moved over the platform, as the last time I did a drill like this I dropped down quite a bit. OK breathe deep, quick wriggle to stretch the suit out and then throw the arm back ... right ... the valve is around here somewhere.... couldn’t touch it! I was nowhere near the valve! I kept trying and trying I got to the point where lactic acid had built up so much I just couldn’t move my arms any more. So I cut the drill – Colin was having similar feelings, although Stathis was doing well.

Next was the S-drill, again I let Richard go first, the drill went well. My turn OK I went OOG got a reg ... a little nervous and ... hey those sodding floaty feet are back!! I resisted the urge and carried on with the drill but it just got worse. Eventually all my energy was going on keeping down, Richard eventually took his reg back and I went to my backup.... no time to grab my primary – my legs gave up and off I floated ... feeling sheepish again.


I came out of the dive feeling shite. The past three dives on the course made me feel so low – I couldn’t do a thing! I kept wondering how I was so bad and that I’m letting the team down. Another chat with the fiancée and I’d shaken myself down ready for the next dive. As always I wasn’t giving up. I had come into the class with the attitude of not being fussed if I failed – I was going to do my best and if I wasn’t up to scratch then at least I knew where the bar was!


Dive #4
Depth: 12.5m
Duration: 55 mins

In my opinion I had been performing the worst in the class – Colin although struggling with buoyancy since trying out a twinset managed skills and kept a cool demeanour in the water – I on the other hand felt just plain old bad.

Clare recognised that I was unhappy and struggling and that the team was stressed, so decided to call the end of the class for the day, she made us jump in for a nice long pleasure dive with no instructors to try to relax and enjoy a dive. 52 minutes later we surfaced – the others felt better, I was less convinced, I had tried to do what I was told such as arching my back, clenching butt cheeks etc came out feeling low as I was still useless in the water.

Fundamentals Day 4

The day hadn’t started well, I’d got off to a late start and arrived late at Vobster and forgot to pay the bill for the B&B. On the surface we practiced valve drills and s-drills. I had also decided to scrap the HID torch – reason? I was too task loaded doing the skills and handling the torch.

Dive #5
Depth: 6.1m
Duration: 50mins

This was actually two dives rolled in one. The first was recovery of an unconscious diver. Richard tried to raise me, however I wasn’t having a good time with my feet and he couldn’t manage the lift. Clare stayed eye level with me which gave me an excuse to relax as I concentrated on her – still didn’t get the feet sorted, I ended up hanging on to the platform while Richard got himself in a good position but eventually Clare cut the drill. I didn’t know this and I was raised to the surface by Clare! Size doesn’t matter she said …. If you know Clare, think off opposite to her, Clare is a short petite woman and I’m well ... quite simply not short, not petite and certainly not a woman! 6ft 5in and a few stone of man!

We descended and I recovered Richard, I felt I did really well on everything except the trim, we went vertical on ascent. And I managed to knock the reg out of his mouth …. Oops! But this was while he was on the platform so he got it back in and we continued the drill. Clare was at eye level with Richard, so if anything were to go wrong Clare wouldn’t have been more than a second away. Clare told me horizontal is best because (for me) if it were to happen at the back of a cave, you would have to swim out horizontally. Although she did congratulate me for a good recovery and controlled ascent. At least the fella would be alive!

We dropped down again to conduct valve drills, S-drills and then finally SMB deployment. Since taking a knife to my under suit and learning to stretch my legs out to keep my trim, I managed my first ever valve drill quite comfortably. The S-drill also went well. Clare was impressed and I got a strong congratulatory hand shake. Finally things are looking up! I can actually do this diving malarkey! Now the adrenaline was pumping, but it wasn’t for fear, it was for excitement, it was starting to come together, I thought that I might just be able to prove myself worthy.

Colin and I did the S-drills, we finished and then had to wait for Richard and Stathis to finish their SMB drill, because, somehow, Stathis dropped a semi-inflated SMB through the platform and it got completely stuck! While waiting I even asked John how my trim was while we waited for Stathis and Richard to finish their drills– he said I looked good! My moral was picking up.

SMB deployment went fantastically although I did forget to look up.

I came out of this dive with an ear-to-ear grin! I was the happiest I have ever been on the course– I dekitted and rang with missus and I was beaming! For the first time on the course I felt like I actually was half decent under water. My trim and in-water comfort had improved so drastically in four dives it was incredible. At no point on the dive did I have a problem with my feet!


Dive #6
Depth: 12m
Duration: 37 mins

For this dive, John was joining us as our #3. Colin and I were to plan and execute a dive including calculations for minimum gas. I set minimum gas at 40 bar.

The plan was to go in the slipway, drop down to 4.5m and hang to the left of the path where a square shaped boulder would mark a location for us to do S-drills. Colin seemed chuffed to find it he was constantly signalling “THERE!”

Colin struggled with trim and managed to silt out the area! But kudos to him, he was always trying! We then followed the quarry wall to the right and headed for the 9m platform. Clare hit us with S-drills; again Colin struggled to keep horizontal and silted the area out! In the middle of the drill we lost John (I think Clare told him to swim off – we found him sat over a hole waving at us). I felt sheepish that I couldn’t keep track of a bloke with a HID torch sat next to me when I’m usually quiet aware of the team. Yet again shows how team awareness goes out the window when a bit of stress and hard work is put on me.

I gave the signal to turn around, however I was quickly corrected that this is an all-usable dive – so I plodded on.

Clare led us to a platform to conduct backup light deployment and then we continued to the crushing works, which is actually a really impressive place! We hovered over a bridge which would have been an amazing Kodak moment! John was made out-of-gas and it was my job to deploy the SMB and lead the ascent. I was half way through deploying the bag and Colin (tried) to tell me to look up before launch, I couldn’t figure this out, he took the bag off me and I thought he implied a free ascent – particularly as we had two divers sharing air, I figured that it is on its way to being depleted very quickly, so I put it away, Clare told me to launch the (damn!) bag so I launched it and still forgot to look up. The ascent started OK but I soon ended up being pinned against the trapeze and then in the mess that followed I floated up to the surface.

A long surface swim back to the shore and we dekitted and waited for the other team to eventually got our results.

Part of me felt that I could get the rec pass as I had shown determination through the course and at the end it finally came together. But another (more significant) part of me felt that I just wasn’t anywhere near the standards. Fingers crossed!


Results

Although I had finished the course very well, I hadn’t started well and although I had showed improvement and determination and refusal to quit I didn’t earn the recreational/tech pass. I was given a provisional so a top-off dive is in the near future. But I was happy with it. If you had asked me six months ago if I would have been happy with getting a provisional in Fundies I would have said no … but changing my view of fundies from course to a workshop I came to the realisation that the result didn’t really matter. I said to Clare and John that being given a rec/tech pass would have defied the point of the GUE standards. I was content and I feel an infinitely better diver

Clare and John gave me some good advice to continue to improve my diving. I packed up went back to the B&B to pay the bill (sorry Barbara I forgot!)

Richard Payne got a tech pass – well done Richard.

As for Stathis and Colin … I don’t know. I bet Stathis got a tech pass – he’s on this board so I’m sure he will tell us all.

Reflections

How was the course?

It was officially the most difficult diving I have ever done. However, the knowledge I am leaving the course with has made me an infinitely better diver. Anyone who thinks they are a good diver should take the course. It will reveal you for your true colours, yet also give you the tools to walk away far more competent even if you failed the course.

Knowing the outcome, would I still do it?

Absolutely, my in-water comfort has improved so much and it was due to a lot of little things. That on its own was worth it. My skills and abilities and even my capacity has improved.

Would I recommend it?

Absolutely, if you want to improve you’re diving and become a better diver you NEED to do fundamentals. I thought that I was half decent underwater and that I was safe. However on day 2 of the diving I came to a realisation that I was nowhere near as good as I thought and that I wasn’t safe. But by the end of the course I can at least say that I am a safe diver and that I’m definitely improving the right way.

Have I changed?

Absolutely, I have always admired cave divers and technical divers for the discipline and the dedication to the level of diving that they are at. Doing the fundamentals course is the “easiest” of all the courses offered by GUE, if these are the standards on the easy course, I am scared to imagine what they are like at the top!

I have even more respect for technical/cave divers, particularly the GUE/DIR crew. I can see how high the bar is held and I have almost been humbled by the course.
Are you considering doing Fundamentals?

You should definitely do it. It is money well spent. Getting four days to pick the brains of an instructor is worth the money. If you are having issues with trim & weighting, don’t worry – it will get sorted on the course! My issue of rolling over head first was solved by stretching my legs out! Every tail weight under the sun wasn’t fixing the problem!

How can you prepare for Fundamentals?

DO NOT PRACTICE SKILLS!

Best thing you can do is just get in the water and toddle about and get more comfortable. Ask a DIR diver to demonstrate the skills but don’t bother doing them yourself. Experience in the water is the best thing you can do for yourself.

Hope this has been an interesting read for you all - it was certainly the best course I have ever done in my life.
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By Ben Curtis on May 6th, 2009, 09:19 PM
Wow no wonder it took you so long to post it. I like the honesty it is a very detailed report well done.
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By Chris Armstrong on May 6th, 2009, 09:28 PM
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Wow no wonder it took you so long to post it.
I actually wrote all of it apart from Day 2's events in one go the day after (when I was at work)

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I like the honesty it is a very detailed report well done.
Cheers - its a playfield-lever that course - it was fantastic I learned a lot of new stuff and it put me in my place (for better or worse!!)
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By neilh on May 6th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Nice write up Chris, hope you manage to get it all together and get that pass
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By robwaran79 on May 6th, 2009, 10:33 PM
nice report chris
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By mikktaho on May 7th, 2009, 06:07 AM
Thanks for the report. That might give me the last push to do the Fundies.
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By Marijn on May 7th, 2009, 06:56 AM
Nice write-up!
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By Chris Armstrong on May 7th, 2009, 10:18 AM
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Nice write up Chris, hope you manage to get it all together and get that pass
unfortunately I only got a provisional - but I'm hoping to get some training in and get a re-assessment and go for the tech pass .. fingers crossed :smile:
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By Chris Armstrong on May 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM
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Thanks for the report. That might give me the last push to do the Fundies.
You should do Fundies, its probably the best course you can do. Its well worth the investment of both time and money.

I was at a cross roads with my diving .... I wanted longer bottom times but I didn't want the massive deco obligation ... I was tempted to go for advanced nitrox class ... but I eventually realised that going for that would be a bad idea as I am still not rock-solid in the water yet.

The last thing I need to do is be on 100% Oxygen at 6m and then when I get given something to do I drop down to 8m and tox.

Thats why I decided to become better in the water over become more skilled.
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By mikktaho on May 7th, 2009, 11:39 AM
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I was at a cross roads with my diving .... I wanted longer bottom times but I didn't want the massive deco obligation ... I was tempted to go for advanced nitrox class ... but I eventually realised that going for that would be a bad idea as I am still not rock-solid in the water yet.

The last thing I need to do is be on 100% Oxygen at 6m and then when I get given something to do I drop down to 8m and tox.

Thats why I decided to become better in the water over become more skilled.

My backround is a bit different. I'm doing iantd norm. tx at the moment. Also doing some cave training for the same office. Have been diving around 10 years. Last 3 years a bit more technical stuff. I have few GUE trained friends who have give some idea about GUE training.

But still I think there might be something for me. I think the biggest problem for me is to find time to do course and hope that there are some instructor coming to Finland at the right time. I also have second baby coming in 3 months. That also give some timetable problems John is coming in the finland this summer but it's the same time that i'm suppose to be in the hospital to get my baby in the world

I'm sure I will do to the fundie. Let's just hope it is in near future.
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