Boots revisited

Red Sea Explorer · January 27th, 2006, 04:47 PM

I am wondering if the use of boots on the tanks has been revised by GUE.

I was looking through the new Halcyon catalogue yesterday and I noticed that some of the divers in the pictures have boots on the Aluminum tanks.

Is it kosher now?

*JohnKendall* · January 27th, 2006, 04:49 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Red Sea Explorer)

I am wondering if the use of boots on the tanks has been revised by GUE.

I was looking through the new Halcyon catalogue yesterday and I noticed that some of the divers in the pictures have boots on the Aluminum tanks.

Is it kosher now?

Just because it is in the halcyon catalogue does not mean it's DIR. Like toggles on pull dumps on CE marked wings, or on the DSMBs.

HTH
John

Sterny · January 27th, 2006, 05:02 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by JohnKendall)

or on the DSMBs.

Question about those (apologies if it's been asked before) - is it really necessary to cut off the toggle from the Halcyon (or other brand) DSMB dump valve cord, and why?

I see the point for wing dump cords (toggles could get trapped between stages and vent leading to loss of bouyancy), but the cord on an SMB dump only does anything once it's deployed, by which time there's not much for it to catch on. Not that it's particularly hard to find and pull without a toggle, so no big deal either way, but there's always a reason for these things, so what is it? :D

TIA

*JohnKendall* · January 27th, 2006, 05:05 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sterny)

Question about those (apologies if it's been asked before) - is it really necessary to cut off the toggle from the Halcyon (or other brand) DSMB dump valve cord, and why?

I see the point for wing dump cords (toggles could get trapped between stages and vent leading to loss of bouyancy), but the cord on an SMB dump only does anything once it's deployed, by which time there's not much for it to catch on. Not that it's particularly hard to find and pull without a toggle, so no big deal either way, but there's always a reason for these things, so what is it? :D

TIA

Basically you don't need it, so why have it? The reason they are fitted is that the dump valves are an OEM part that comes with them attached.

HTH
J

Sterny · January 27th, 2006, 05:07 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by JohnKendall)

Basically you don't need it, so why have it? The reason they are fitted is that the dump valves are an OEM part that comes with them attached.

HTH
J

That figures, and fair enough you don't need it! Thanks

Red Sea Explorer · January 27th, 2006, 05:17 PM

Three reasons I can think of for not having the knobs on the DSMBS:

Muscle memory: you always use a dump valve with the same hand movement.
Bulkiness: it is useless bulk, that can potentially get caught inbetween the back and backplate
Minimalism: if you do not need it do not take it

but going back, I think Halcyon and GUE are very intune to eachother standards and protocols and we all look for Halcyon as the "DIR dive system", maybe they have changed their position on boots....

Divingniknaks · January 27th, 2006, 06:47 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Red Sea Explorer)

we all look for Halcyon as the "DIR dive system",

You may well, not everyone else does

I know what you mean though, not wanting to pick a fight.

QBU · January 28th, 2006, 11:58 PM

I found out that there are several Halcyon products that aren't supposedly under the umbrella of DIR. For instance the ACB's.

davy · January 30th, 2006, 11:55 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sterny)

but the cord on an SMB dump only does anything once it's deployed, by which time there's not much for it to catch on. Not that it's particularly hard to find and pull without a toggle, so no big deal either way, but there's always a reason for these things, so what is it? :D

Well, when I used to use one of those closed DSMB's I had a couple of times get the toggle get between the buoy and the bags inflator mechanism...
When the buoy was expanding to full capacity and the string between the toggle tightend up, it would open the dump valve

It must have had the correct lenght to that I suppose.

January 27th, 2006, 04:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Red Sea Explorer(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Red Sea Posts: 236	Boots revisited I am wondering if the use of boots on the tanks has been revised by GUE. I was looking through the new Halcyon catalogue yesterday and I noticed that some of the divers in the pictures have boots on the Aluminum tanks. Is it kosher now? __________________ You watch me switch. www.redseaexplorers.com

January 27th, 2006, 05:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
Red Sea Explorer(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Red Sea Posts: 236	Three reasons I can think of for not having the knobs on the DSMBS: Muscle memory: you always use a dump valve with the same hand movement. Bulkiness: it is useless bulk, that can potentially get caught inbetween the back and backplate Minimalism: if you do not need it do not take it but going back, I think Halcyon and GUE are very intune to eachother standards and protocols and we all look for Halcyon as the "DIR dive system", maybe they have changed their position on boots.... __________________ You watch me switch. www.redseaexplorers.com

January 27th, 2006, 06:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,038	Quote: (Originally Posted by Red Sea Explorer) we all look for Halcyon as the "DIR dive system", You may well, not everyone else does I know what you mean though, not wanting to pick a fight. __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com

January 28th, 2006, 11:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
QBU(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Okinawa Posts: 121	I found out that there are several Halcyon products that aren't supposedly under the umbrella of DIR. For instance the ACB's. __________________ "C"

January 27th, 2006, 04:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,102	Quote: (Originally Posted by Red Sea Explorer) I am wondering if the use of boots on the tanks has been revised by GUE. I was looking through the new Halcyon catalogue yesterday and I noticed that some of the divers in the pictures have boots on the Aluminum tanks. Is it kosher now? Just because it is in the halcyon catalogue does not mean it's DIR. Like toggles on pull dumps on CE marked wings, or on the DSMBs. HTH John

January 27th, 2006, 05:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sterny(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The limpid tropical lagoons of Ealing, West London Posts: 550	Quote: (Originally Posted by JohnKendall) or on the DSMBs. Question about those (apologies if it's been asked before) - is it really necessary to cut off the toggle from the Halcyon (or other brand) DSMB dump valve cord, and why? I see the point for wing dump cords (toggles could get trapped between stages and vent leading to loss of bouyancy), but the cord on an SMB dump only does anything once it's deployed, by which time there's not much for it to catch on. Not that it's particularly hard to find and pull without a toggle, so no big deal either way, but there's always a reason for these things, so what is it? :D TIA

January 27th, 2006, 05:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,102	Quote: (Originally Posted by Sterny) Question about those (apologies if it's been asked before) - is it really necessary to cut off the toggle from the Halcyon (or other brand) DSMB dump valve cord, and why? I see the point for wing dump cords (toggles could get trapped between stages and vent leading to loss of bouyancy), but the cord on an SMB dump only does anything once it's deployed, by which time there's not much for it to catch on. Not that it's particularly hard to find and pull without a toggle, so no big deal either way, but there's always a reason for these things, so what is it? :D TIA Basically you don't need it, so why have it? The reason they are fitted is that the dump valves are an OEM part that comes with them attached. HTH J

January 27th, 2006, 05:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sterny(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The limpid tropical lagoons of Ealing, West London Posts: 550	Quote: (Originally Posted by JohnKendall) Basically you don't need it, so why have it? The reason they are fitted is that the dump valves are an OEM part that comes with them attached. HTH J That figures, and fair enough you don't need it! Thanks

January 30th, 2006, 11:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
davy(Offline) DIveR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 275	Quote: (Originally Posted by Sterny) but the cord on an SMB dump only does anything once it's deployed, by which time there's not much for it to catch on. Not that it's particularly hard to find and pull without a toggle, so no big deal either way, but there's always a reason for these things, so what is it? :D Well, when I used to use one of those closed DSMB's I had a couple of times get the toggle get between the buoy and the bags inflator mechanism... When the buoy was expanding to full capacity and the string between the toggle tightend up, it would open the dump valve It must have had the correct lenght to that I suppose.