Thermals - Options ?

***Fiona*** · March 1st, 2008, 03:06 PM

At the moment I use 4th Elements and Chillcheaters, I have the 4thE base layer a couple of Reed Chillcheaters and a 4thE Arctic top and bottoms, obviously I don't wear everything just a combination.

The Arctic has shrunk in the length and the arms and I need to replace it with something. I have just been to try on a new one, but I seem to fall between sizes one being too small and one having a lot of extra material under the arm area, arms are too long but I know they will shrink again.

What do other people wear, being a ladyee I much prefer the two piece option.

I think my old suit was a little warmer than the new DUI which is quite thin.

Neil S · March 1st, 2008, 09:36 PM

Hi Fiona

I can recommend Under Armour cold gear.

It used to be a pain to get hold of but i think that JJB or JD sports have got the UK distribution for it. Really thin and flexible so fit under your normal undersuit in the colder months.

They look good too (Not on me i might add)

HTH
Neil

IanDennis · March 1st, 2008, 10:29 PM

Fiona

Whilst not a two piece, the Santi undersuits are superb at keeping divers warm and exceptionally well made. Having a MTM option is also very useful.

I think both Clare and John would be able to advise you further but my Protec is probably the same thickness as your DUI and I don't get cold anymore in a 400g undersuit and Xerotherms. You could always wear the arctics underneath and be very warm indeed

Ian

***Fiona*** · March 2nd, 2008, 09:06 AM

Bugger surely there must be something else other than Arctics or a full one piece undersuit

Phil O · March 2nd, 2008, 09:55 AM

There is the new 4th Element undersuit coming out shortly - The Sub Xero. I understand it may be launched at the London Dive Show next weekend

scubajim1 · March 3rd, 2008, 04:19 PM

I saw the sub zero at a show here in the States. I will be looking for a set of these myself.

Joe Hesketh · March 3rd, 2008, 05:19 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Fiona)

Bugger surely there must be something else other than Arctics or a full one piece undersuit

Fiona

Why don't you e-mail Tomasz and see whether Santi would be interested in making a two piece suit in C4 Thinsulate? They already do a jacket and trousers set in fleece (though it's designed as "after dive" wear).

I could see a two piece Thinsulate working, maybe a higher waist like ski salopettes with braces, then a jacket with a beavertail like their current warming vest has and the parts which overlap being 200g to avoid excessive bulk, etc.

Their whole product line was originated by divers saying to them (then just an industrial clothing company) "can you make one of these" (I saw one of the first pre-production Santi 400s which Marcin Kaluza had years ago), so you never know…

Joe

wilbo · March 3rd, 2008, 05:23 PM

I think Fiona was also getting at the two piece solution from the 'being a laydee' point of view as well - i.e. answering calls of nature and keeping your top half warm.. especially on those longer range dives where the boat doesn't have a head as such..

***Fiona*** · March 3rd, 2008, 07:47 PM

Thanks Joe, yes John has also made that suggestion. Not sure the braces under a top would work though, as Wilbo said I am looking for a two piece option. Although since I have just sold both twinsets, nothing is urgent now anyway.

GoDiva · March 3rd, 2008, 07:53 PM

I thought weezle had a 2-piece sit, with a zip around the waist to avoid a cold bare tummy during the dive. Have not seen them irl, but remember pictures on their site.

March 1st, 2008, 03:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
*Fiona*(Offline) Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Up North Posts: 1,212	Thermals - Options ? At the moment I use 4th Elements and Chillcheaters, I have the 4thE base layer a couple of Reed Chillcheaters and a 4thE Arctic top and bottoms, obviously I don't wear everything just a combination. The Arctic has shrunk in the length and the arms and I need to replace it with something. I have just been to try on a new one, but I seem to fall between sizes one being too small and one having a lot of extra material under the arm area, arms are too long but I know they will shrink again. What do other people wear, being a ladyee I much prefer the two piece option. I think my old suit was a little warmer than the new DUI which is quite thin. __________________ Fiona Resistance was Futile Move Along YD GUE Member

March 2nd, 2008, 09:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
*Fiona*(Offline) Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Up North Posts: 1,212	Bugger surely there must be something else other than Arctics or a full one piece undersuit __________________ Fiona Resistance was Futile Move Along YD GUE Member

March 2nd, 2008, 09:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Phil O(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 340	There is the new 4th Element undersuit coming out shortly - The Sub Xero. I understand it may be launched at the London Dive Show next weekend __________________ Phil

March 3rd, 2008, 05:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
wilbo(Offline) Chimp 4 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Swindon, UK Posts: 877	I think Fiona was also getting at the two piece solution from the 'being a laydee' point of view as well - i.e. answering calls of nature and keeping your top half warm.. especially on those longer range dives where the boat doesn't have a head as such.. __________________ Cheers! Wilbo DIR explorers: DIR Yorkshire Divers: YorkshireDivers One of the Foxturd chimps

March 3rd, 2008, 07:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
*Fiona*(Offline) Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Up North Posts: 1,212	Thanks Joe, yes John has also made that suggestion. Not sure the braces under a top would work though, as Wilbo said I am looking for a two piece option. Although since I have just sold both twinsets, nothing is urgent now anyway. __________________ Fiona Resistance was Futile Move Along YD GUE Member

March 1st, 2008, 09:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Neil S(Offline) New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 275	Hi Fiona I can recommend Under Armour cold gear. It used to be a pain to get hold of but i think that JJB or JD sports have got the UK distribution for it. Really thin and flexible so fit under your normal undersuit in the colder months. They look good too (Not on me i might add) HTH Neil

March 1st, 2008, 10:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
IanDennis(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chalfont St Peter Posts: 81	Fiona Whilst not a two piece, the Santi undersuits are superb at keeping divers warm and exceptionally well made. Having a MTM option is also very useful. I think both Clare and John would be able to advise you further but my Protec is probably the same thickness as your DUI and I don't get cold anymore in a 400g undersuit and Xerotherms. You could always wear the arctics underneath and be very warm indeed Ian

March 3rd, 2008, 04:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
scubajim1(Offline) New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 1	I saw the sub zero at a show here in the States. I will be looking for a set of these myself.

March 3rd, 2008, 05:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Joe Hesketh(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 657	Quote: (Originally Posted by Fiona) Bugger surely there must be something else other than Arctics or a full one piece undersuit Fiona Why don't you e-mail Tomasz and see whether Santi would be interested in making a two piece suit in C4 Thinsulate? They already do a jacket and trousers set in fleece (though it's designed as "after dive" wear). I could see a two piece Thinsulate working, maybe a higher waist like ski salopettes with braces, then a jacket with a beavertail like their current warming vest has and the parts which overlap being 200g to avoid excessive bulk, etc. Their whole product line was originated by divers saying to them (then just an industrial clothing company) "can you make one of these" (I saw one of the first pre-production Santi 400s which Marcin Kaluza had years ago), so you never know… Joe

March 3rd, 2008, 07:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
GoDiva(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 560	I thought weezle had a 2-piece sit, with a zip around the waist to avoid a cold bare tummy during the dive. Have not seen them irl, but remember pictures on their site. __________________ "Miss Dodgy-Pockets" or "Miss Lime-Green, Clear-Skirt Mask"