Space-Age Undersuit

Joe Hesketh · September 22nd, 2006, 05:23 PM

I was browsing over at the Rubicon Foundation and came across this. You have to register to be able to down the actual NEDU report.

http://www.rubicon-foundation.org:80...123456789/3487

The Navy testing looks pretty thorough compared to most recreational reviews. You certainly wouldn’t get John Bantin sitting in a tank of 2°C water for 147 minutes with a thermometer up his ass!

I understand this was also mentioned at the DUI presentation at last year’s GUE conference (though I wasn’t there). Looks very promising, though I found something somewhere else that suggested that if the Aerogel suit went into production now it would be about 10 times as expensive as C4 thinsulate!

Joe

**Alastair** · September 23rd, 2006, 06:50 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe Hesketh)

The Navy testing looks pretty thorough compared to most recreational reviews. You certainly wouldn’t get John Bantin sitting in a tank of 2°C water for 147 minutes with a thermometer up his ass!

Well he's had 20 years experience of having his own head stuck up there!

Gene_Hobbs · September 25th, 2006, 03:12 PM

I am glad you are finding the site useful and interesting.

Attached are two files from Lew Nuckols. Lew has been a driving force behind the research of Aerogel for the US Navy. DUI has played a VERY big role in development of this product (as they do most of the military thermal protection projects).

"Attached are two photos that you might post. One shows the appearance of
the aerogel monolith that gets impregnated into the diving suit. The other
shows a pre-production garment being dressed out on a thermal manikin to
measure insulation values. We confirmed last month that the aerogel
garment had 76% higher insulation than a commercial M400 Thinsulate
garment. The Navy is currently diving these garments in extreme cold
missions and the feedback is very positive."

Joe Hesketh · September 25th, 2006, 03:32 PM

Cool stuff. Thanks for that Gene and welcome to the forum!

Good work with the foundation BTW, it's a gold mine.

When I came across the Aerogel stuff, I was actually looking for the original Navy report on insulation (the one that GI3 always refers to that put C4 out front). Don't suppose that's in your list of stuff to be scanned in?

Cheers
Joe

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · December 12th, 2006, 12:47 AM

I was just going through this and I have found that this is one of the coolest things I have evr seen. The amount of technology that is crammed into that suit is impressive.

floater · December 12th, 2006, 03:22 AM

Are these suits expensive to prudoce in general, or say compared to say M400 thinsulate?

Gene_Hobbs · December 12th, 2006, 04:01 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by floater)

Are these suits expensive to prudoce in general, or say compared to say M400 thinsulate?

They are a few thousand US now because they have to be made by hand in a clean room. It will get better once the final system is in place.

K Ripley · December 12th, 2006, 04:29 AM

[quote=Gene_Hobbs;31301]They are a few thousand US now because they have to be made by hand in a clean room. It will get better once the final system is in place.[/quote

Is there a date for when that will be? It's almost chainsaw season again here.

Gene_Hobbs · December 12th, 2006, 04:48 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by K Ripley)

Is there a date for when that will be? It's almost chainsaw season again here.

It will be a while... No worries, DUI will start marketing well in advance.

*Hassan Adly* · December 12th, 2006, 06:00 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe Hesketh)

You certainly wouldn’t get John Bantin sitting in a tank of 2°C water for 147 minutes with a thermometer up his ass!

Maybe we should ask

September 23rd, 2006, 06:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Alastair(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 752	Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe Hesketh) The Navy testing looks pretty thorough compared to most recreational reviews. You certainly wouldn’t get John Bantin sitting in a tank of 2°C water for 147 minutes with a thermometer up his ass! Well he's had 20 years experience of having his own head stuck up there! __________________ Helium is our friend - GI3

December 12th, 2006, 12:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC (Online) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 1,078	I was just going through this and I have found that this is one of the coolest things I have evr seen. The amount of technology that is crammed into that suit is impressive. __________________ Life and Death, although stemming from one another, seem to conflict as stages of change. Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com

December 12th, 2006, 04:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
Gene_Hobbs(Offline) WKPP Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Durham, NC, USA Posts: 72	Quote: (Originally Posted by floater) Are these suits expensive to prudoce in general, or say compared to say M400 thinsulate? They are a few thousand US now because they have to be made by hand in a clean room. It will get better once the final system is in place. __________________ http://rubicon-foundation.org/ Home of the Rubicon Research Repository. For help getting started with the Repository, please visit our FAQ page. PLEASE support our work. "Oxygen is addictive and deadly. Everyone who uses it will eventually die" --RW Hamilton, PhD 1991

December 12th, 2006, 04:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Gene_Hobbs(Offline) WKPP Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Durham, NC, USA Posts: 72	Quote: (Originally Posted by K Ripley) Is there a date for when that will be? It's almost chainsaw season again here. It will be a while... No worries, DUI will start marketing well in advance. __________________ http://rubicon-foundation.org/ Home of the Rubicon Research Repository. For help getting started with the Repository, please visit our FAQ page. PLEASE support our work. "Oxygen is addictive and deadly. Everyone who uses it will eventually die" --RW Hamilton, PhD 1991

December 12th, 2006, 06:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
Hassan Adly(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Red Sea Posts: 328	Quote: (Originally Posted by Joe Hesketh) You certainly wouldn’t get John Bantin sitting in a tank of 2°C water for 147 minutes with a thermometer up his ass! Maybe we should ask __________________ Hassan Adly Red Sea Discovery "Today I will finally see the sea again, which will smell of salt, wind, sand - and the cold of winter. Finally I will not only travel on it but dive in it, again I will become water, a bird - and I will remember the feeling of gliding above the abyss" Elena Sundukova, tragically lost at sea, January 2007

September 22nd, 2006, 05:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Joe Hesketh(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 688	I was browsing over at the Rubicon Foundation and came across this. You have to register to be able to down the actual NEDU report. http://www.rubicon-foundation.org:80...123456789/3487 The Navy testing looks pretty thorough compared to most recreational reviews. You certainly wouldn’t get John Bantin sitting in a tank of 2°C water for 147 minutes with a thermometer up his ass! I understand this was also mentioned at the DUI presentation at last year’s GUE conference (though I wasn’t there). Looks very promising, though I found something somewhere else that suggested that if the Aerogel suit went into production now it would be about 10 times as expensive as C4 thinsulate! Joe

September 25th, 2006, 03:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Joe Hesketh(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 688	Cool stuff. Thanks for that Gene and welcome to the forum! Good work with the foundation BTW, it's a gold mine. When I came across the Aerogel stuff, I was actually looking for the original Navy report on insulation (the one that GI3 always refers to that put C4 out front). Don't suppose that's in your list of stuff to be scanned in? Cheers Joe

December 12th, 2006, 03:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
floater(Offline) Mostly harmless Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Currently in the US, but I'm not American Posts: 155	Are these suits expensive to prudoce in general, or say compared to say M400 thinsulate?

December 12th, 2006, 04:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
K Ripley(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 45	[quote=Gene_Hobbs;31301]They are a few thousand US now because they have to be made by hand in a clean room. It will get better once the final system is in place.[/quote Is there a date for when that will be? It's almost chainsaw season again here.