CCR Evolution course!!!!

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · September 6th, 2008, 12:54 PM

Well what can I say..... we talked we dived..... WE FLOODED THE BLOODY THING FIRST TIME ROUND!!!!!! hahahahahaha AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The instructor was pretty dissapointed that I didn't want to come anywhere near that bloody death trap again, but what can I say..... CCR just is not for me.

caverkevin · September 6th, 2008, 01:16 PM

What happen? You spit the DSV out is disgust?

Cheers!!

K

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · September 6th, 2008, 01:59 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by caverkevin)

What happen? You spit the DSV out is disgust?

Cheers!!

K

While performing a bail out drill: I closed the DSV, removed it from my mouth and lifted it above my head before releasing it to go onto bailout. While lifting, it opened as it was adjusted too loose.

So act like you are holding the DSV in your hand and lift it.... that tiny amount of strain, opened the DSV to allow water to flood my CCR.

The whole thing is just TOOOOOO easy to mess with. The same old kinds of excuses ensued:
oops
it was a slight adjustment error
Hey, it happens all the time
It must be the guy who serviced it
yada yada yada

OC rules man. Plus I found out the CCR only gives me 3 hours.... that just isn't enough for my dives :D

DIR or death I say!

caverkevin · September 6th, 2008, 02:25 PM

Sounds like you are painting all rebreathers with a broad brush from one bad experience. I have had two instances where OC exhaust bubbles have triggered collapses and almost cost my life. Plenty of other times watched bubbles cause damage to the environment in which they were released. OC is not that great.

Not all systems are equal. There are CCR systems out there that are water tolerant and have a lot more than 3 hours of duration on the scrubber.

Cheers!!

K

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC)

OC rules man. Plus I found out the CCR only gives me 3 hours.... that just isn't enough for my dives :D

DIR or death I say!

lizardland · September 6th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Yet another good example of why diving a rebreather without a BOV is nuts and why selling a rebreather without a BOV is irresponsible... just my unbiased opinion...

I've never seen the point of chucking the DSV over the head either, if I come off the loop I tuck it under my chin.

Quote:

OC rules man. Plus I found out the CCR only gives me 3 hours.... that just isn't enough for my dives :D

Mine will do 5hrs happily, others have used it far longer. Use what you need, there are plenty of options.

I agree with Kevin, don't tar them all the same because of one not very good experience.

Rubis · September 6th, 2008, 05:48 PM

I agree with Stuart and Kevin ... Seems that you have just tried with the wrong unit ... 3 hours scrubber that's really low, I agree with you.
The new radial rEvo and the Meg with Radial cannister will give you 8 hours + easy. The Meg is much more water tolerant.

I have not flooded mine (a CK) in 70 hours + so far ... and yeah the BOV is a good thing

**Howard Payne** · September 6th, 2008, 06:08 PM

Quote:

WE FLOODED THE BLOODY THING FIRST TIME ROUND!!!!!!

This is what we in TFT call a "catastrophic loss of fabulousness"

I thought you were a "Divegod" and "magnificent to behold" at all times?

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · September 6th, 2008, 06:38 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Howard Payne)

This is what we in TFT call a "catastrophic loss of fabulousness"

I thought you were a "Divegod" and "magnificent to behold" at all times?

Who said I didn't look fantastic the whole time :D
I am far from "Dive God". That is reserved for JJ.....(for now at least)

By the way, what is the TFT?

Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC · September 6th, 2008, 06:48 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

Yet another good example of why diving a rebreather without a BOV is nuts and why selling a rebreather without a BOV is irresponsible... just my unbiased opinion...

I've never seen the point of chucking the DSV over the head either, if I come off the loop I tuck it under my chin.

Mine will do 5hrs happily, others have used it far longer. Use what you need, there are plenty of options.

I agree with Kevin, don't tar them all the same because of one not very good experience.

You are all right of course.
I would would be wrong to tar all the CCRs out there.

But after that one day, I can say for 100% sure that they [CCRs] have a LONG way to go before they are truly user friendly for the wicked type of diving we do.

BUT, I am very strict on saftey and also, I actually get paid MORE when I dive OC (since my cleints buy my gas for me FROM ME :D)

I am still hoping that JJ comes up with some genius solution though.

lizardland · September 6th, 2008, 07:57 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC)

But after that one day, I can say for 100% sure that they [CCRs] have a LONG way to go before they are truly user friendly for the wicked type of diving we do.

Depends on your definition of user friendly. Mine takes about 30min to set up if you work through the checklist from the manual but once it's done then that's it for the next 3 days or 5hrs diving. All I have to do is switch it on, put it on and dive, irrelevant of depth and I don't have to touch it post dive other than to switch it off again. You cannot do that OC. So it's a tool for a job.

Quote:

BUT, I am very strict on saftey

There's an opening there for a very old and tired argument.

Quote:

I actually get paid MORE when I dive OC (since my cleints buy my gas for me FROM ME :D)

As a Scot that's an argument very close to my heart

Quote:

I am still hoping that JJ comes up with some genius solution though.

He better start learning how to dive CCR before he starts preaching on a solution if he wants to be taken seriously.

September 6th, 2008, 12:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	CCR Evolution course!!!! Well what can I say..... we talked we dived..... WE FLOODED THE BLOODY THING FIRST TIME ROUND!!!!!! hahahahahaha AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The instructor was pretty dissapointed that I didn't want to come anywhere near that bloody death trap again, but what can I say..... CCR just is not for me. __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com

September 6th, 2008, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	Quote: (Originally Posted by caverkevin) What happen? You spit the DSV out is disgust? Cheers!! K While performing a bail out drill: I closed the DSV, removed it from my mouth and lifted it above my head before releasing it to go onto bailout. While lifting, it opened as it was adjusted too loose. So act like you are holding the DSV in your hand and lift it.... that tiny amount of strain, opened the DSV to allow water to flood my CCR. The whole thing is just TOOOOOO easy to mess with. The same old kinds of excuses ensued: oops it was a slight adjustment error Hey, it happens all the time It must be the guy who serviced it yada yada yada OC rules man. Plus I found out the CCR only gives me 3 hours.... that just isn't enough for my dives :D DIR or death I say! __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com

September 6th, 2008, 05:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
lizardland(Offline) LCS Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Evidently Chickentown Posts: 593	Yet another good example of why diving a rebreather without a BOV is nuts and why selling a rebreather without a BOV is irresponsible... just my unbiased opinion... I've never seen the point of chucking the DSV over the head either, if I come off the loop I tuck it under my chin. Quote: OC rules man. Plus I found out the CCR only gives me 3 hours.... that just isn't enough for my dives :D Mine will do 5hrs happily, others have used it far longer. Use what you need, there are plenty of options. I agree with Kevin, don't tar them all the same because of one not very good experience. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f**ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk The Lot isn't the only place to dive: http://www.lulu.com/content/613554 Last edited by lizardland; September 6th, 2008 at 05:10 PM.*

September 6th, 2008, 05:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rubis(Offline) cave deprived and Kissed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Broadway, (lost in Central NC, USA far far way from Caves SIGH !!!) Posts: 275	I agree with Stuart and Kevin ... Seems that you have just tried with the wrong unit ... 3 hours scrubber that's really low, I agree with you. The new radial rEvo and the Meg with Radial cannister will give you 8 hours + easy. The Meg is much more water tolerant. I have not flooded mine (a CK) in 70 hours + so far ... and yeah the BOV is a good thing __________________ Petition against M26

September 6th, 2008, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
Howard Payne(Offline) Strokey Dokily Doo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,202	Quote: WE FLOODED THE BLOODY THING FIRST TIME ROUND!!!!!! This is what we in TFT call a "catastrophic loss of fabulousness" I thought you were a "Divegod" and "magnificent to behold" at all times? __________________ The Foxturd Chimp

September 6th, 2008, 01:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
caverkevin(Offline) Doing It Caverkevin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Kackilackie Posts: 361	What happen? You spit the DSV out is disgust? Cheers!! K

September 6th, 2008, 02:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
caverkevin(Offline) Doing It Caverkevin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Kackilackie Posts: 361	Sounds like you are painting all rebreathers with a broad brush from one bad experience. I have had two instances where OC exhaust bubbles have triggered collapses and almost cost my life. Plenty of other times watched bubbles cause damage to the environment in which they were released. OC is not that great. Not all systems are equal. There are CCR systems out there that are water tolerant and have a lot more than 3 hours of duration on the scrubber. Cheers!! K Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC) OC rules man. Plus I found out the CCR only gives me 3 hours.... that just isn't enough for my dives :D DIR or death I say!

September 6th, 2008, 06:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	Quote: (Originally Posted by Howard Payne) This is what we in TFT call a "catastrophic loss of fabulousness" I thought you were a "Divegod" and "magnificent to behold" at all times? Who said I didn't look fantastic the whole time :D I am far from "Dive God". That is reserved for JJ.....(for now at least) By the way, what is the TFT? __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com

September 6th, 2008, 06:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hurghada Posts: 849	Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) Yet another good example of why diving a rebreather without a BOV is nuts and why selling a rebreather without a BOV is irresponsible... just my unbiased opinion... I've never seen the point of chucking the DSV over the head either, if I come off the loop I tuck it under my chin. Mine will do 5hrs happily, others have used it far longer. Use what you need, there are plenty of options. I agree with Kevin, don't tar them all the same because of one not very good experience. You are all right of course. I would would be wrong to tar all the CCRs out there. But after that one day, I can say for 100% sure that they [CCRs] have a LONG way to go before they are truly user friendly for the wicked type of diving we do. BUT, I am very strict on saftey and also, I actually get paid MORE when I dive OC (since my cleints buy my gas for me FROM ME :D) I am still hoping that JJ comes up with some genius solution though. __________________ It has just dawned on me.... We are all just recycled stardust Ahmed Adly, www.deepvoyage.com

September 6th, 2008, 07:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
lizardland(Offline) LCS Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Evidently Chickentown Posts: 593	Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC) But after that one day, I can say for 100% sure that they [CCRs] have a LONG way to go before they are truly user friendly for the wicked type of diving we do. Depends on your definition of user friendly. Mine takes about 30min to set up if you work through the checklist from the manual but once it's done then that's it for the next 3 days or 5hrs diving. All I have to do is switch it on, put it on and dive, irrelevant of depth and I don't have to touch it post dive other than to switch it off again. You cannot do that OC. So it's a tool for a job. Quote: BUT, I am very strict on saftey There's an opening there for a very old and tired argument. Quote: I actually get paid MORE when I dive OC (since my cleints buy my gas for me FROM ME :D) As a Scot that's an argument very close to my heart Quote: I am still hoping that JJ comes up with some genius solution though. He better start learning how to dive CCR before he starts preaching on a solution if he wants to be taken seriously. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk The Lot isn't the only place to dive: http://www.lulu.com/content/613554