For the girls only.... - Page 10

Lou · August 24th, 2006, 05:13 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC)

Okay, stand corrected, just thought it would be an issue.

Where we the bags mounted as I still think peeing into a bag which is trying to be squashed would be quite hard work? Or is that just too much information?

Well, it isn't trying to be squashed, is it? The inside of your drysuit is at exactly the same pressure as the outside - air in it or not.

Peeing out of a p-valve is just the same as peeing into the bag, I would assume, the only factor being differential pressure between the fluid in the bladder and the water outside, that pressure being caused by musculature or the elasticity of the bladder?

**GLOC** · August 24th, 2006, 05:18 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Lou)

Well, it isn't trying to be squashed, is it? The inside of your drysuit is at exactly the same pressure as the outside - air in it or not.

Peeing out of a p-valve is just the same as peeing into the bag, I would assume, the only factor being differential pressure between the fluid in the bladder and the water outside, that pressure being caused by musculature or the elasticity of the bladder?

The squashing I am referring to is your weight against the inside of the suit if the bag is on your stomach, rather than the pressure of the inside of the suit per se.

If it worked for the WKPP guys, it must work, just trying to get my head around it thats all.

Lou · August 24th, 2006, 05:28 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC)

The squashing I am referring to is your weight against the inside of the suit if the bag is on your stomach, rather than the pressure of the inside of the suit per se.

If it worked for the WKPP guys, it must work, just trying to get my head around it thats all.

Hmm. Yes, see what you mean, but if you are hanging in your harness, and the suit is cut loose enough then this wouldn't happen would it?

Stuff a sport pack of lucozade in your undersuit pocket next time you dive and report back to us, will you?

Helen · January 7th, 2007, 12:55 AM

Does anyone know the website of the suppliers of the one way valves needed for girlie pee valves? Daz did email me the details, and in true helen style i have lost it somewhere in the depths of my email inbox.

Thanks

daz · January 9th, 2007, 07:40 PM

Here you go... was back a bit so not sure if catalogue numbers are still relevant. All else fails give them a ring (Just don't tell them what you want it for)

IIRC you need a valved coupling to connect to the catheter or you will leak

You will probably want to get two inserts (valved or unvalved) one for the suit tube and one on a bit of loose tubing so you can go on the journey from/to site etc..

I thought I'd managed to wipe it all from my mind but thanks for bringing it all flooding (pun unintentional!) back.

TOM PARKER LTD, MARSH LANE MILL, MARSH LANE, PRESTON, PR1 1HY. TELEPHONE: 01772 251405 FAX: 01772 827088

Or email :- sales@tom-parker.co.uk

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Coupling: APCD17006S 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb with Shroud - Valved £5.13

Insert: APCD220-06 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb - Valved £4.99

Coupling: APC170-06 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb without Shroud - un-valved £1.33

Insert: APC220-06 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb - un-valved £0.78

I had so many dreams about what I would contribute to improving diver safety and knowledge. Somehow I never thought it would be for engineering a solution for female P valve divers...

Lord give me strength.

Daz

Rubis · January 9th, 2007, 11:01 PM

Hello,

are there any female divers that are actually using a female p-valve system ? I would like to be enlightened on how that works and getting it myself as well. 3 hours is the most two superposed diapers will take and the results are not 100% bulletproof for that extent of time (Yuck !), 3 won't fit in my drysuit until a loose some more weight ...

I would really appreciate a PM ...

I got lost in this long thread on the actual outcome ...

Thank you Ladies

Cris

Terri · January 10th, 2007, 03:21 AM

Clare, Dawn and others. I too have heard about the glue on system. I believe the guys at GUE were getting some women there to roadtest as well as Tania Yarra from Australia also being involved. Tania was involved in the 4.4km penetration of Cocklebiddy cave and was the first woman to make it to Toad Hall, go girl!

Terri

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawn)

Hi Clare,

I also heard about a new style of "glue-on", external catheters they are developing for women. Sorry if this is TMI, but it definitely makes sense that certain areas have to be shaved in order to use this effectively and without too much pain. There have been some women who have tested this and said it is wonderful, but I don't know when they will be made available to the public (they may be already...)

Hope this helps! Happy Holidays,
Dawn

Helen · February 19th, 2007, 03:37 PM

Hey guys (and girls)

Here is an update on all of this.

Firstly i got a valve (balanced) from Phill at divingniknaks, it will be fitted to my suit when i start diving again this season.

For all of this to work a couple of modifications have to be made.

You need to remove the standard barbed plastic end of the tube, this can be done easily by heating the rubber pipe in hot water and simply pulling hard. You then need to replace this with a new valve. Most guys do this and replace it with a quick connect valve. The problem with these is that they do not have an internal valve in them so you will "leak" when its not plugged in.
If you follow the link posted by Daz above, the company are hugely helpful and very quick to post the valves.

Once you have your valve, simply push it into the end of the pee valve tube as shown below....

As you can see, the valve comes in two bits...

Here i have opened a catheter to show you how it all connects together. This can now (obviously) not be used as it needs to be sterile.

Catheter connected to valve...

As for the full process.....well. Its not rocket science, but you do need to be extra careful with how clean everything is. I would recommend getting some antibacterial cleaner for your hands and downstairs. A bladder infection would not be nice. Unisept solution was recommended to me by an A&E nurse.
Once the catheter is in place you will know as wee will begin to flow from it. You need to inflate the baloon with the sterile water that comes with the catheter, and you will know if its not right as it hurts so go slowly. Dont use saline as the salt can crystalise out and make removing the balloon painful.
Catheters can be purchased online but are expensive. A chat with your doctor and explaining the whole situation means you can get them on prescription in the UK. It is probably a very good idea to be shown how to insert them properly too. As with all things, there is a certain point where reading abotu stuff on the internet is simply not enough

Make sure you keep a syringe handy for emptying the balloon, and dont panic if you connect it up, pull the plunger and nothing happens - it can take a few seconds for the balloon to deflate and the liquid to enter the syringe.

***Fiona*** · February 19th, 2007, 03:51 PM

You know Helen there is a reason I don't do deco

Helen · February 19th, 2007, 03:54 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Fiona)

You know Helen there is a reason I don't do deco

hehe, well since i will be training to use the chamber to treat people, i thought it good form not to end up needing to use it myself.

I want to be peeing like a bloody racehorse before dives, esp since im doing the mix ticket this season and we may be a *very* long way from a chamber with the new boat.

August 24th, 2006, 05:18 PM	#92 (permalink)
GLOC(Offline) Moderator and aka Mavis Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Malmesbury, Wilts Posts: 2,772	Quote: (Originally Posted by Lou) Well, it isn't trying to be squashed, is it? The inside of your drysuit is at exactly the same pressure as the outside - air in it or not. Peeing out of a p-valve is just the same as peeing into the bag, I would assume, the only factor being differential pressure between the fluid in the bladder and the water outside, that pressure being caused by musculature or the elasticity of the bladder? The squashing I am referring to is your weight against the inside of the suit if the bag is on your stomach, rather than the pressure of the inside of the suit per se. If it worked for the WKPP guys, it must work, just trying to get my head around it thats all. __________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Travels Underwater and Further Afar “Set your expectations high; find men and women whose integrity and values you respect; get their agreement on a course of action; and give them your ultimate trust.” “It is far better to be trusted and respected that it is to be liked.”

January 7th, 2007, 12:55 AM	#94 (permalink)
Helen(Offline) "Like a diver... only shorter" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scapa Flow, Orkney Posts: 102	Does anyone know the website of the suppliers of the one way valves needed for girlie pee valves? Daz did email me the details, and in true helen style i have lost it somewhere in the depths of my email inbox. Thanks __________________ You can dive any way you want to. Just don't expect me to be down there with you....

January 9th, 2007, 11:01 PM	#96 (permalink)
Rubis(Offline) cave deprived and Kissed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Broadway, (lost in Central NC, USA far far way from Caves SIGH !!!) Posts: 322	Hello, are there any female divers that are actually using a female p-valve system ? I would like to be enlightened on how that works and getting it myself as well. 3 hours is the most two superposed diapers will take and the results are not 100% bulletproof for that extent of time (Yuck !), 3 won't fit in my drysuit until a loose some more weight ... I would really appreciate a PM ... I got lost in this long thread on the actual outcome ... Thank you Ladies Cris __________________ Petition against M26 Last edited by Rubis; January 9th, 2007 at 11:03 PM..

February 19th, 2007, 03:37 PM	#98 (permalink)
Helen(Offline) "Like a diver... only shorter" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scapa Flow, Orkney Posts: 102	Hey guys (and girls) Here is an update on all of this. Firstly i got a valve (balanced) from Phill at divingniknaks, it will be fitted to my suit when i start diving again this season. For all of this to work a couple of modifications have to be made. You need to remove the standard barbed plastic end of the tube, this can be done easily by heating the rubber pipe in hot water and simply pulling hard. You then need to replace this with a new valve. Most guys do this and replace it with a quick connect valve. The problem with these is that they do not have an internal valve in them so you will "leak" when its not plugged in. If you follow the link posted by Daz above, the company are hugely helpful and very quick to post the valves. Once you have your valve, simply push it into the end of the pee valve tube as shown below.... As you can see, the valve comes in two bits... Here i have opened a catheter to show you how it all connects together. This can now (obviously) not be used as it needs to be sterile. Catheter connected to valve... As for the full process.....well. Its not rocket science, but you do need to be extra careful with how clean everything is. I would recommend getting some antibacterial cleaner for your hands and downstairs. A bladder infection would not be nice. Unisept solution was recommended to me by an A&E nurse. Once the catheter is in place you will know as wee will begin to flow from it. You need to inflate the baloon with the sterile water that comes with the catheter, and you will know if its not right as it hurts so go slowly. Dont use saline as the salt can crystalise out and make removing the balloon painful. Catheters can be purchased online but are expensive. A chat with your doctor and explaining the whole situation means you can get them on prescription in the UK. It is probably a very good idea to be shown how to insert them properly too. As with all things, there is a certain point where reading abotu stuff on the internet is simply not enough Make sure you keep a syringe handy for emptying the balloon, and dont panic if you connect it up, pull the plunger and nothing happens - it can take a few seconds for the balloon to deflate and the liquid to enter the syringe. __________________ You can dive any way you want to. Just don't expect me to be down there with you....

February 19th, 2007, 03:51 PM	#99 (permalink)
*Fiona*(Offline) Sister of Darkness Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North West Posts: 1,978	You know Helen there is a reason I don't do deco __________________ Fiona It is impossible to make everything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. GUE Member DIVELIFE for everything you need and more

August 24th, 2006, 05:13 PM	#91 (permalink)
Lou(Offline) New Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bucks Posts: 199	Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC) Okay, stand corrected, just thought it would be an issue. Where we the bags mounted as I still think peeing into a bag which is trying to be squashed would be quite hard work? Or is that just too much information? Well, it isn't trying to be squashed, is it? The inside of your drysuit is at exactly the same pressure as the outside - air in it or not. Peeing out of a p-valve is just the same as peeing into the bag, I would assume, the only factor being differential pressure between the fluid in the bladder and the water outside, that pressure being caused by musculature or the elasticity of the bladder?

August 24th, 2006, 05:28 PM	#93 (permalink)
Lou(Offline) New Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bucks Posts: 199	Quote: (Originally Posted by GLOC) The squashing I am referring to is your weight against the inside of the suit if the bag is on your stomach, rather than the pressure of the inside of the suit per se. If it worked for the WKPP guys, it must work, just trying to get my head around it thats all. Hmm. Yes, see what you mean, but if you are hanging in your harness, and the suit is cut loose enough then this wouldn't happen would it? Stuff a sport pack of lucozade in your undersuit pocket next time you dive and report back to us, will you?

January 9th, 2007, 07:40 PM	#95 (permalink)
daz(Offline) "Don't worry I'm approved" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bristol Posts: 212	Here you go... was back a bit so not sure if catalogue numbers are still relevant. All else fails give them a ring (Just don't tell them what you want it for) IIRC you need a valved coupling to connect to the catheter or you will leak You will probably want to get two inserts (valved or unvalved) one for the suit tube and one on a bit of loose tubing so you can go on the journey from/to site etc.. I thought I'd managed to wipe it all from my mind but thanks for bringing it all flooding (pun unintentional!) back. TOM PARKER LTD, MARSH LANE MILL, MARSH LANE, PRESTON, PR1 1HY. TELEPHONE: 01772 251405 FAX: 01772 827088 Or email :- sales@tom-parker.co.uk http://www.tom-parker.co.uk Coupling: APCD17006S 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb with Shroud - Valved £5.13 Insert: APCD220-06 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb - Valved £4.99 Coupling: APC170-06 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb without Shroud - un-valved £1.33 Insert: APC220-06 3/8"ID 9.5mm Hose Barb - un-valved £0.78 I had so many dreams about what I would contribute to improving diver safety and knowledge. Somehow I never thought it would be for engineering a solution for female P valve divers... Lord give me strength. Daz

January 10th, 2007, 03:21 AM	#97 (permalink)
Terri(Offline) New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 19	Clare, Dawn and others. I too have heard about the glue on system. I believe the guys at GUE were getting some women there to roadtest as well as Tania Yarra from Australia also being involved. Tania was involved in the 4.4km penetration of Cocklebiddy cave and was the first woman to make it to Toad Hall, go girl! Terri Quote: (Originally Posted by Dawn) Hi Clare, I also heard about a new style of "glue-on", external catheters they are developing for women. Sorry if this is TMI, but it definitely makes sense that certain areas have to be shaved in order to use this effectively and without too much pain. There have been some women who have tested this and said it is wonderful, but I don't know when they will be made available to the public (they may be already...) Hope this helps! Happy Holidays, Dawn

February 19th, 2007, 03:54 PM	#100 (permalink)
Helen(Offline) "Like a diver... only shorter" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scapa Flow, Orkney Posts: 102	Quote: (Originally Posted by Fiona) You know Helen there is a reason I don't do deco hehe, well since i will be training to use the chamber to treat people, i thought it good form not to end up needing to use it myself. I want to be peeing like a bloody racehorse before dives, esp since im doing the mix ticket this season and we may be a very long way from a chamber with the new boat. __________________ You can dive any way you want to. Just don't expect me to be down there with you....