Hog looping - Page 7

caverkevin · December 18th, 2009, 09:52 AM

Kevin L. Jones - NSS-CDS, IANTD, TDI
Diving HOG rig since 1997, 1500+ dives with wrapped long hose.
Teach and mentoring divers in HOG rig since 1999
two real life donations - no issues either case.
countless drills - no issue that I can recall.

Hope this helps!!!

eey_ore_9 · December 27th, 2009, 12:50 PM

Eey_ore_9 BSAC,PADI,TDI,GUE. 150+ DIVES

Numerous out of air drills re fundies, at the begining not so sweet but now got the tools to effectively deploy without issue so far!

pre hog loop:- whilst diving scapa flow OOA buddy emergency, diver went straight for my deco reg not the reg in my mouth nor the octo on my chest area. Either very cleverly wanting my deco gas or stressed to buggery just grabbing the first thing seen? No issue on ascent after donate

Janos · December 28th, 2009, 05:59 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DarrenM)

...you can't compare GUE gas donations with BSAC gas donations. BSAC set up with stages left and right is not the same as the GUE set up...

I disagree a little - there is no one "BSAC way" - for example my usual deep diving rig is all stages left, an OPH, and a rebreather. However I also dive a single tank rig with a very different configuration. I suspect the reason many people are annoyed is because they see this as a slippery slope to a BSAC way. But I digress, I'm taking the thread off track.

In a vain attempt to appease Clare for not keeping to the subject of the thread :D Outside of lessons, I've been involved in three OOG incidents. One of those I was hog-looped (ish) and the hose was deployed with no problems.

Janos

Mark Chase · December 28th, 2009, 06:39 PM

Mark Chase

PADI GUE IANTD TDI

1500-2000 dives ish

First "Hog looped" in 2001

1 X Actual use in red sea inside Thistlegorm when buddy (wife) got to 40 bar with a long way to go to the shot.

No drama

Dozens of practice drills

1 X minor incident practicing for fundies with Clare when i attempted a donate and it pulled my mask off because I had a mini Q40 attached to the mask strap.

Simple answer, get rid of mini Q40

But i liked the head mount Q40 so i ditched the hog loop in favor of a stuffed hose and put the Q40 back on.

The morel of this tail is if your going to go GUE/hogarthian? you need to go all the way and not just cherry pick

ATB

Mark

LCF · December 29th, 2009, 02:56 AM

Lynne Flaherty, GUE-F, NAUI Helitrox, GUE C1, UTD T1, NACD Full Cave.

Approx 850 dives, all but 40 hog rigged. Countless donations in drills and "surprise" drills with buddies. One issue with improperly rigged hose (twisted around backup) which would have shown itself had I done a mod S before diving.

Several real donations: I had a freeflow in a single tank and buddy donated and we ascended, no issues. I had a new buddy come to me low on gas when we had a bit of a swim to get back to the boat; I donated and we swam in. No issues. My husband developed a reg leak a long way from shore. I donated, no issues.

Niko · December 29th, 2009, 09:34 AM

Niko Gerdau (GUE, IANTD, PATD)
OC trimix and cave diver.
Technical Instructor.
About 500 dives in hog rig.

Some hundred drills completed or witnessed. Issues: none.

Donations to OOG divers - none.

argyris · December 29th, 2009, 01:52 PM

Argyris Argyriadis (NAUI, PSAI)
PASCRebreather Trimix and Cave Diver.
Technical Course Director & Instructor.
1000 cave dives in hogarthian NTEC rig.

All drills completed without issues.

**MartyC** · December 31st, 2009, 03:52 PM

Only done this once in anger, diving the F2 in Scapa, buddy was doing an adv rec course and lining in, he kicked up so much sh#t that we couldn't see each other, he flashed an out of gas signal with his light and I donated without thinking, it was automatic and stress free, shame he'd only got tangled in the line

(git) made all the practice worth while though!

gertf · April 24th, 2010, 10:32 AM

Ran out of air myself today (10 bar left). It was embarrassing, but luckily happened while we were doing a 6m safety stop.

Shared air with hog-rigged buddy with no problems.

Brixio · May 6th, 2010, 08:50 AM

Fabrizio Tosoni (tech1 cave2) 500+ dives in Hog rig

Issues during training/teaching: None

2 real deployments to Low-On-Gas divers. No issues.

December 28th, 2009, 05:59 PM	#63 (permalink)
Janos(Offline) "Two Sheds" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Surrey Posts: 412	Quote: (Originally Posted by DarrenM) ...you can't compare GUE gas donations with BSAC gas donations. BSAC set up with stages left and right is not the same as the GUE set up... I disagree a little - there is no one "BSAC way" - for example my usual deep diving rig is all stages left, an OPH, and a rebreather. However I also dive a single tank rig with a very different configuration. I suspect the reason many people are annoyed is because they see this as a slippery slope to a BSAC way. But I digress, I'm taking the thread off track. In a vain attempt to appease Clare for not keeping to the subject of the thread :D Outside of lessons, I've been involved in three OOG incidents. One of those I was hog-looped (ish) and the hose was deployed with no problems. Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves DO of Hellfins

December 28th, 2009, 06:39 PM	#64 (permalink)
Mark Chase(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kent England Posts: 1,071	Mark Chase PADI GUE IANTD TDI 1500-2000 dives ish First "Hog looped" in 2001 1 X Actual use in red sea inside Thistlegorm when buddy (wife) got to 40 bar with a long way to go to the shot. No drama Dozens of practice drills 1 X minor incident practicing for fundies with Clare when i attempted a donate and it pulled my mask off because I had a mini Q40 attached to the mask strap. Simple answer, get rid of mini Q40 But i liked the head mount Q40 so i ditched the hog loop in favor of a stuffed hose and put the Q40 back on. The morel of this tail is if your going to go GUE/hogarthian? you need to go all the way and not just cherry pick ATB Mark __________________ The only DIR Inspiration/Hammer head/KISS/rEvo/JJ diver in the village www.ourturkishvilla.co.uk Last edited by Mark Chase; December 28th, 2009 at 06:42 PM..

December 29th, 2009, 02:56 AM	#65 (permalink)
LCF(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 816	Lynne Flaherty, GUE-F, NAUI Helitrox, GUE C1, UTD T1, NACD Full Cave. Approx 850 dives, all but 40 hog rigged. Countless donations in drills and "surprise" drills with buddies. One issue with improperly rigged hose (twisted around backup) which would have shown itself had I done a mod S before diving. Several real donations: I had a freeflow in a single tank and buddy donated and we ascended, no issues. I had a new buddy come to me low on gas when we had a bit of a swim to get back to the boat; I donated and we swam in. No issues. My husband developed a reg leak a long way from shore. I donated, no issues. __________________ check out www.divematrix.com "So, it's a good thing to always do the drills the same way . . . but in real life you need to act the right way, whatever that happens to be." LauNar

December 29th, 2009, 09:34 AM	#66 (permalink)
Niko(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 147	Niko Gerdau (GUE, IANTD, PATD) OC trimix and cave diver. Technical Instructor. About 500 dives in hog rig. Some hundred drills completed or witnessed. Issues: none. Donations to OOG divers - none. __________________ trimix-nord.de

December 31st, 2009, 03:52 PM	#68 (permalink)
MartyC(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Goathland, N Yorks. Posts: 198	Only done this once in anger, diving the F2 in Scapa, buddy was doing an adv rec course and lining in, he kicked up so much sh#t that we couldn't see each other, he flashed an out of gas signal with his light and I donated without thinking, it was automatic and stress free, shame he'd only got tangled in the line (git) made all the practice worth while though! __________________ IF only I could think of something witty to say!

December 18th, 2009, 09:52 AM	#61 (permalink)
caverkevin(Offline) Doing It Caverkevin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Boca Raton & Fort White, FL Posts: 474	Kevin L. Jones - NSS-CDS, IANTD, TDI Diving HOG rig since 1997, 1500+ dives with wrapped long hose. Teach and mentoring divers in HOG rig since 1999 two real life donations - no issues either case. countless drills - no issue that I can recall. Hope this helps!!!

December 27th, 2009, 12:50 PM	#62 (permalink)
eey_ore_9(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 149	Eey_ore_9 BSAC,PADI,TDI,GUE. 150+ DIVES Numerous out of air drills re fundies, at the begining not so sweet but now got the tools to effectively deploy without issue so far! pre hog loop:- whilst diving scapa flow OOA buddy emergency, diver went straight for my deco reg not the reg in my mouth nor the octo on my chest area. Either very cleverly wanting my deco gas or stressed to buggery just grabbing the first thing seen? No issue on ascent after donate

December 29th, 2009, 01:52 PM	#67 (permalink)
argyris(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Greece Posts: 11	Argyris Argyriadis (NAUI, PSAI) PASCRebreather Trimix and Cave Diver. Technical Course Director & Instructor. 1000 cave dives in hogarthian NTEC rig. All drills completed without issues.

April 24th, 2010, 10:32 AM	#69 (permalink)
gertf(Offline) New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 12	Ran out of air myself today (10 bar left). It was embarrassing, but luckily happened while we were doing a 6m safety stop. Shared air with hog-rigged buddy with no problems.

May 6th, 2010, 08:50 AM	#70 (permalink)
Brixio(Offline) New Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Salò - Italy Posts: 61	Fabrizio Tosoni (tech1 cave2) 500+ dives in Hog rig Issues during training/teaching: None 2 real deployments to Low-On-Gas divers. No issues.