Spool and SMB

scubazach · June 14th, 2006, 02:33 AM

Hello all -

I have a spool with 125' of line and a smb. what is the proper way to stowe it? (spool connected to smb) or separately -either can work.
Next should you lose the anchor line and get blown off the wreck do you deploy and do a "hanging stops" rolling in line as you ascend or if possible tie off to the wreck once deployed and cut the line on the surface?

thanks all - any sites etc to help me would be great
Zach

**jb2cool** · June 14th, 2006, 08:48 AM

When i was on my DIR-F i was told that you can have the SMB/Spool ready built or unbuilt. If you dive with it ready built though you should have another spool on you to use as a guideline or whatever.

NickB · June 14th, 2006, 10:21 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubazach)

...or if possible tie off to the wreck once deployed and cut the line on the surface?

I heard about this 'technique' during a TDI course I did some time ago. Apparently, they're known as Jersey up-lines and are an American thing.

Frankly, it beggars belief that people could be crass enough to do such a thing, even using a bio-degradable line, in anything but the direst of emergencies.

The sea is littered with enough crap as it is withouth leaving forests of line sprouting up from our wrecks.

ReikiMaster · June 15th, 2006, 09:38 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by NickB)

I heard about this 'technique' during a TDI course I did some time ago. Apparently, they're known as Jersey up-lines and are an American thing.

Frankly, it beggars belief that people could be crass enough to do such a thing, even using a bio-degradable line, in anything but the direst of emergencies.

The sea is littered with enough crap as it is withouth leaving forests of line sprouting up from our wrecks.

Roughly my thoughts too. the last thing you should be doing is dumping 30+m of line on others that may still be in the water.

scubajay · June 15th, 2006, 11:57 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by NickB)

I heard about this 'technique' during a TDI course I did some time ago. Apparently, they're known as Jersey up-lines and are an American thing.

Frankly, it beggars belief that people could be crass enough to do such a thing, even using a bio-degradable line, in anything but the direst of emergencies.

The sea is littered with enough crap as it is withouth leaving forests of line sprouting up from our wrecks.

Quote:

Roughly my thoughts too. the last thing you should be doing is dumping 30+m of line on others that may still be in the water.

When I did my TDI course I was taught this technique, and the line was looped back through onto the reel/spool so that you lost no line when you cut it.

Example - SMB fails or flies away following a bad set up. Loop line or spool through artifact (wreck etc) and reattach to reel/spool. If you have 100m line then you can ascend 50m before you have to cut it. At the surface or the cut point, you cut the line at the point where you reattached it to your reel/spool via a double ender, and then all you do is wind your line back in. as you cut near the knot you lose about 2mm of line. If that.

If you had to reel/line up from a wreck and were so deep yopu needed the WHOLE line to do it, then I suppose this would be deemed an emrgency, and the environmental damage of 100m of loose line in the sea would just be the downside of you not drowning.

NickB · June 15th, 2006, 12:10 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubajay)

When I did my TDI course I was taught this technique, and the line was looped back through onto the reel/spool so that you lost no line when you cut it.

That would be preferable but, like you say, you need more than double the length of line. Oh, and a fairly smooth object around which to loop it.

scubajay · June 15th, 2006, 12:14 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by NickB)

That would be preferable but, like you say, you need more than double the length of line. Oh, and a fairly smooth object around which to loop it.

Well it is an emergency procedure, and needs must etc.

As for the amount of line: I always carry a 30m spool, and my 100m reel. I think I have got the line issue covered.

Rick · June 15th, 2006, 02:57 PM

I keep them seperate for reasons listed above and or to assist a buddy by handing him my spool while he unstows the bag after the gas switch etc

Dependent on the boat skipper, we may be requested to put 3 bags up (1 per team member) which would mean undoing the hybrid solution.

It's no hassle connecting a bag to a spool, so I've vouch for keeping them seperate

HTH

June 14th, 2006, 02:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
scubazach(Offline) New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CT - USA Posts: 3	Spool and SMB Hello all - I have a spool with 125' of line and a smb. what is the proper way to stowe it? (spool connected to smb) or separately -either can work. Next should you lose the anchor line and get blown off the wreck do you deploy and do a "hanging stops" rolling in line as you ascend or if possible tie off to the wreck once deployed and cut the line on the surface? thanks all - any sites etc to help me would be great Zach

June 14th, 2006, 08:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
jb2cool(Offline) Padawan learner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Posts: 804	When i was on my DIR-F i was told that you can have the SMB/Spool ready built or unbuilt. If you dive with it ready built though you should have another spool on you to use as a guideline or whatever. __________________ http://jb2cool.bulldoghome.com

June 14th, 2006, 10:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
NickB(Offline) Always lowering the tone Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 348	Quote: (Originally Posted by scubazach) ...or if possible tie off to the wreck once deployed and cut the line on the surface? I heard about this 'technique' during a TDI course I did some time ago. Apparently, they're known as Jersey up-lines and are an American thing. Frankly, it beggars belief that people could be crass enough to do such a thing, even using a bio-degradable line, in anything but the direst of emergencies. The sea is littered with enough crap as it is withouth leaving forests of line sprouting up from our wrecks. __________________ SnowHeads / BreastFriends / Free Money!

June 15th, 2006, 09:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
ReikiMaster(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK Posts: 123	Quote: (Originally Posted by NickB) I heard about this 'technique' during a TDI course I did some time ago. Apparently, they're known as Jersey up-lines and are an American thing. Frankly, it beggars belief that people could be crass enough to do such a thing, even using a bio-degradable line, in anything but the direst of emergencies. The sea is littered with enough crap as it is withouth leaving forests of line sprouting up from our wrecks. Roughly my thoughts too. the last thing you should be doing is dumping 30+m of line on others that may still be in the water. __________________ Steve

June 15th, 2006, 11:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
scubajay(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Great Totham, Essex Posts: 59	Quote: (Originally Posted by NickB) I heard about this 'technique' during a TDI course I did some time ago. Apparently, they're known as Jersey up-lines and are an American thing. Frankly, it beggars belief that people could be crass enough to do such a thing, even using a bio-degradable line, in anything but the direst of emergencies. The sea is littered with enough crap as it is withouth leaving forests of line sprouting up from our wrecks. Quote: Roughly my thoughts too. the last thing you should be doing is dumping 30+m of line on others that may still be in the water. When I did my TDI course I was taught this technique, and the line was looped back through onto the reel/spool so that you lost no line when you cut it. Example - SMB fails or flies away following a bad set up. Loop line or spool through artifact (wreck etc) and reattach to reel/spool. If you have 100m line then you can ascend 50m before you have to cut it. At the surface or the cut point, you cut the line at the point where you reattached it to your reel/spool via a double ender, and then all you do is wind your line back in. as you cut near the knot you lose about 2mm of line. If that. If you had to reel/line up from a wreck and were so deep yopu needed the WHOLE line to do it, then I suppose this would be deemed an emrgency, and the environmental damage of 100m of loose line in the sea would just be the downside of you not drowning. __________________ We can't all be heroes because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. 20,000mm Under the Sea Last edited by scubajay; June 15th, 2006 at 12:04 PM.

June 15th, 2006, 12:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
NickB(Offline) Always lowering the tone Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 348	Quote: (Originally Posted by scubajay) When I did my TDI course I was taught this technique, and the line was looped back through onto the reel/spool so that you lost no line when you cut it. That would be preferable but, like you say, you need more than double the length of line. Oh, and a fairly smooth object around which to loop it. __________________ SnowHeads / BreastFriends / Free Money!

June 15th, 2006, 12:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
scubajay(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Great Totham, Essex Posts: 59	Quote: (Originally Posted by NickB) That would be preferable but, like you say, you need more than double the length of line. Oh, and a fairly smooth object around which to loop it. Well it is an emergency procedure, and needs must etc. As for the amount of line: I always carry a 30m spool, and my 100m reel. I think I have got the line issue covered. __________________ We can't all be heroes because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by. 20,000mm Under the Sea

June 15th, 2006, 02:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Rick(Offline) Jock Exley Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Falkirk/Stratford UK Posts: 730	I keep them seperate for reasons listed above and or to assist a buddy by handing him my spool while he unstows the bag after the gas switch etc Dependent on the boat skipper, we may be requested to put 3 bags up (1 per team member) which would mean undoing the hybrid solution. It's no hassle connecting a bag to a spool, so I've vouch for keeping them seperate HTH __________________ Forget Everything And Remember http://phreaticzone.thedeepstop.com/ http://www.dublinbaydiving.com/