Nitrox Stickers

Gareth Burrows · March 12th, 2006, 06:22 PM

Hi

I need some nitrox stickers for my new heisers. I would prefer some that can only be seen with a scanning electron microscope, but have been informed that, apparantly, it is helpful at divesites if they are at least visible to the naked human eye. Sigh

So, where can I get some small nitrox stickers. I like the bsac ones I have seen but am not a bsac member.

Cheers all

Mal Bridgeman · March 12th, 2006, 06:40 PM

Garf

I don't think you need to be a member to buy from here ... at the bottom of the page... though the postage is pretty steep!!

Mal

Janos · March 12th, 2006, 07:41 PM

You don't have to be a member. I'm not sure what the postage is but I doubt it's that much. If you can wait until the 1st of April, then you can buy them at the BSAC stand on the dive show. If you can wait that long.

Janos

wilbo · March 12th, 2006, 08:09 PM

Garf

They work well.. very small.. just what Sir would like.

***EBT*** · March 12th, 2006, 08:48 PM

The BSAC stickers are great, apart from the fact that they dont comply with the new HSE labelling practises/standards.

Whilst Im sure any sensible fill station won't give you grief, you can bet some will.

*JohnKendall* · March 12th, 2006, 09:38 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

The BSAC stickers are great, apart from the fact that they dont comply with the new HSE labelling practises/standards.

Whilst Im sure any sensible fill station won't give you grief, you can bet some will.

What new HSE labelling practises?

J

Gareth Burrows · March 12th, 2006, 09:40 PM

yeah i heard about the new standards the other day, was chatting to the bloke in Frogsborn diving in north wales about it.

Is this the nonsense about writing the gas on the actual sticker each time you get a fill. That is the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

***EBT*** · March 12th, 2006, 09:49 PM

I'd upload it as an attachment John, but the forum limits are set a little low (its 280kb).

Relevant text;

Gases other than natural air or pure oxygen variant label.

8. Include the following:

UN number: UN 3156;

proper shipping name: Compressed Gas Oxidizing N.O.S. (Nitrox/Trimix/Heliox);

two hazard diamonds:

No. 2.2, meaning non-flammable, non-toxic gases, containing:
Symbol (gas cylinder): black or white.
Single line: same colour as the symbol.
Background colour: green;
Figure ‘2’ in the bottom corner: same colour as the symbol;

No. 5.1, meaning oxidizing substances, containing:
Symbol (flame over circle): black.
Single line: black.
Background colour: yellow(1);
Figures ‘5.1’ in the bottom corner: black;

a section headed Mixture of: and underneath _ _ _ % Oxygen, _ _ _ % Nitrogen, _ _ _ % Helium. Where _ _ _ is a blank space to allow the filler to hand mark the correct figure using a method that will not be washed off by water. i.e. if the label surface finish is suitable, marking using dry marker pens and removing using dry marker pen removing fluid;

for the maximum operating depth a section headed M.O.D. with a blank space below to allow the user to hand mark the correct figure using a method that will not be washed off by water. i.e. if the label surface finish is suitable, marking using dry marker pens and removing using dry marker pen removing fluid.

Chrisch · March 12th, 2006, 11:58 PM

Its the second hazmat diamond (5.1 oxydizing agent) thats the issue. The BSAC stickers are too old to have it.

Most shops would ignore it.

What a ****ed up world we live in.

Chris

[edit] hey cool the site software deletes the bad words... Weeeee... I'm on SB...

samkin · March 13th, 2006, 12:51 AM

I believe that the current stock of BSAC stickers do include the second hazmat diamond. I don't have any around, but have seen some small ones recently that I'm fairly certain were BSAC ones that did have it on.

However, these small stickers may be irrelevant soon... I ran our club's cylinder run last month. When they came back I had a quick word with the guy from Solent about the stickers. He said that the latest word from HSE was that the 2 diamonds have to be 10cm to a side! He is currently waiting for confirmation as his normal much larger than we tend to like stickers won't meet the 'new regs' if HSE do mean this.

He said that there will be a change over time if this is the case to allow the test centers to use up their current stock of stickers. Obviously different fillers will interpret that as they will.

March 12th, 2006, 06:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gareth Burrows(Offline) Chimp 2 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Horsham, West Sussex Posts: 369	Nitrox Stickers Hi I need some nitrox stickers for my new heisers. I would prefer some that can only be seen with a scanning electron microscope, but have been informed that, apparantly, it is helpful at divesites if they are at least visible to the naked human eye. Sigh So, where can I get some small nitrox stickers. I like the bsac ones I have seen but am not a bsac member. Cheers all __________________ Garf Amusing and Clever Signature under construction.

March 12th, 2006, 06:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mal Bridgeman(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 663	Garf I don't think you need to be a member to buy from here ... at the bottom of the page... though the postage is pretty steep!! Mal __________________ Opinions and beliefs are correct at the time of posting but are subject to change without any notice or obligation on the part of the author.

March 12th, 2006, 07:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
Janos(Offline) "Two Sheds" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Surrey Posts: 400	You don't have to be a member. I'm not sure what the postage is but I doubt it's that much. If you can wait until the 1st of April, then you can buy them at the BSAC stand on the dive show. If you can wait that long. Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed

March 12th, 2006, 08:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
wilbo(Offline) Chimp 4 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Swindon, UK Posts: 878	Garf They work well.. very small.. just what Sir would like. __________________ Cheers! Wilbo DIR explorers: DIR Yorkshire Divers: YorkshireDivers One of the Foxturd chimps

March 12th, 2006, 09:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,102	Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) The BSAC stickers are great, apart from the fact that they dont comply with the new HSE labelling practises/standards. Whilst Im sure any sensible fill station won't give you grief, you can bet some will. What new HSE labelling practises? J __________________ John Kendall http://www.guetraining.com/ GUE Instruction, Santi and Halcyon Equipment NEW - Online Santi Shop

March 12th, 2006, 08:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
*EBT*(Offline) Just another crouton... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 414	The BSAC stickers are great, apart from the fact that they dont comply with the new HSE labelling practises/standards. Whilst Im sure any sensible fill station won't give you grief, you can bet some will.

March 12th, 2006, 09:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gareth Burrows(Offline) Chimp 2 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Horsham, West Sussex Posts: 369	yeah i heard about the new standards the other day, was chatting to the bloke in Frogsborn diving in north wales about it. Is this the nonsense about writing the gas on the actual sticker each time you get a fill. That is the dumbest idea I have ever heard. __________________ Garf Amusing and Clever Signature under construction.

March 12th, 2006, 09:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
*EBT*(Offline) Just another crouton... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 414	I'd upload it as an attachment John, but the forum limits are set a little low (its 280kb). Relevant text; Gases other than natural air or pure oxygen variant label. 8. Include the following: UN number: UN 3156; proper shipping name: Compressed Gas Oxidizing N.O.S. (Nitrox/Trimix/Heliox); two hazard diamonds: No. 2.2, meaning non-flammable, non-toxic gases, containing: Symbol (gas cylinder): black or white. Single line: same colour as the symbol. Background colour: green; Figure ‘2’ in the bottom corner: same colour as the symbol; No. 5.1, meaning oxidizing substances, containing: Symbol (flame over circle): black. Single line: black. Background colour: yellow(1); Figures ‘5.1’ in the bottom corner: black; a section headed Mixture of: and underneath _ _ _ % Oxygen, _ _ _ % Nitrogen, _ _ _ % Helium. Where _ _ _ is a blank space to allow the filler to hand mark the correct figure using a method that will not be washed off by water. i.e. if the label surface finish is suitable, marking using dry marker pens and removing using dry marker pen removing fluid; for the maximum operating depth a section headed M.O.D. with a blank space below to allow the user to hand mark the correct figure using a method that will not be washed off by water. i.e. if the label surface finish is suitable, marking using dry marker pens and removing using dry marker pen removing fluid.

March 12th, 2006, 11:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chrisch(Offline) Hogarthian Heretic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 104	Its the second hazmat diamond (5.1 oxydizing agent) thats the issue. The BSAC stickers are too old to have it. Most shops would ignore it. What a ****ed up world we live in. Chris [edit] hey cool the site software deletes the bad words... Weeeee... I'm on SB...

March 13th, 2006, 12:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
samkin(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 45	I believe that the current stock of BSAC stickers do include the second hazmat diamond. I don't have any around, but have seen some small ones recently that I'm fairly certain were BSAC ones that did have it on. However, these small stickers may be irrelevant soon... I ran our club's cylinder run last month. When they came back I had a quick word with the guy from Solent about the stickers. He said that the latest word from HSE was that the 2 diamonds have to be 10cm to a side! He is currently waiting for confirmation as his normal much larger than we tend to like stickers won't meet the 'new regs' if HSE do mean this. He said that there will be a change over time if this is the case to allow the test centers to use up their current stock of stickers. Obviously different fillers will interpret that as they will.