Which torch- 10 or 18W ?

Alex · November 29th, 2005, 09:11 PM

Hi

I need an advice. I’ve always been reasonably happy with my Green Force FII 50W torch. It has never let me down and proved to be sufficient for the sort of diving I’ve been doing- mainly wreck diving where you need neither a very long burn time nor a very bright torch. However, I found it much worse than HID for signalling (it is just not visible when it is a lot of ambient light), and I am thinking about a cave course some time in the future.

Now, Phill Divingniknaks Christmas deal made me think about a possible upgrade to a HID. It seems that Salvo torches are the best torches around at the moment. And I am sure that 18 W is in general better than 10 W. However it is almost twice more expensive, and I just cannot afford to spend 750 quid on it. So, here is the question:

Will Salvo 10 W be good enough for most applications, or there are really serious reasons to wait and go for 18 W sometime in the future ?

Thanks
Alex

***ericfine50*** · November 29th, 2005, 09:26 PM

18 Watt - If your buddies go with 18s and you go with a 10. your beam will get smothered. I have a Halcyon 18Watt - Best lighthead I ever had.

aki · November 29th, 2005, 09:39 PM

I just bought a Salvo 9A/24W HID. I used to have DR 10W HID. The difference is incredible.

A fellow diver from Finland has 10 and 21 watt Salvos and has made some comparisons.

--
Aki

Divingniknaks · November 29th, 2005, 10:27 PM

Thanks for comparisons Aki, I'd lost that link myself.

Glad you like your Salvo

Alex, I'm biased right but the 18W is a stunning light.

Where's Davey Willo when you need him, he's honest as well. !

.

Alex · November 30th, 2005, 12:28 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Divingniknaks)

Alex, I'm biased right but the 18W is a stunning light.

Phill

This works against you- I can't pay 750 at the moment anyway.

The bulb and battery garantie- is it for all torches or only 18W?

Thanks
Alex

Divingniknaks · November 30th, 2005, 01:08 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Alex)

Phill

This works against you- I can't pay 750 at the moment anyway.

The bulb and battery garantie- is it for all torches or only 18W?

Thanks
Alex

Don't worry I'll have your soul in small pieces I don't mind :D

The Gaurantee from Salvo was for the "new range of 18W and 24W", but I'll tell you how confident in the whole range I am. If you want a 10W light, Divingniknaks will offer that same gaurantee wthout Barry behind us.

Now beat that !

Help you make your mind up at all ?

maccajim · November 30th, 2005, 01:13 AM

I just did tech1 in a team of three everyone else had 18watt i had a 10watt halycon on shallow dives it was a lot harder for me to signal as it just seemed so much weaker.

On the deeper 45m dive it didn't seem as bad but i eventually want to do cave1 where everyone should have the same strength beam so getting 18watt Salvo when fix 10w and sell it.

MarkEm · November 30th, 2005, 01:38 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Alex)

Hi

I need an advice. I’ve always been reasonably happy with my Green Force FII 50W torch. It has never let me down and proved to be sufficient for the sort of diving I’ve been doing- mainly wreck diving where you need neither a very long burn time nor a very bright torch. However, I found it much worse than HID for signalling (it is just not visible when it is a lot of ambient light), and I am thinking about a cave course some time in the future.

Now, Phill Divingniknaks Christmas deal made me think about a possible upgrade to a HID. It seems that Salvo torches are the best torches around at the moment. And I am sure that 18 W is in general better than 10 W. However it is almost twice more expensive, and I just cannot afford to spend 750 quid on it. So, here is the question:

Will Salvo 10 W be good enough for most applications, or there are really serious reasons to wait and go for 18 W sometime in the future ?

Thanks
Alex

Hi Alex,

there is a Halcyon 18watt Pro6 on Ebay - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Halcyon-18-Wat...QQcmdZViewItem

In my experience I have found the 10watt (Halcyon or Salvo) with an extended reflector to be perfectly adequate for UK trimix applications. No complaints from buddies with 18watt lamps either.

Regards,

Mark.

*Clare Gledhill* · November 30th, 2005, 01:44 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by MarkEm)

No complaints from buddies with 18watt lamps either.

Well we buddies often say size doesn't matter - but that tends to be just to make you feel better

OK - I'm going now....

PS - Hi Mark - hope to see you Sunday

Divingniknaks · November 30th, 2005, 01:45 AM

I know I have an interest here but ...........

Thats a Lead Acid light with a V large canister. Just so Alex knows !

Not comparable to the new Helios or Salvo range of NImH lights weight wise at least.

See trying to be fair and mention the H lights as well

Just a thought.

Edited Can't spell at this time of night / morning

November 29th, 2005, 09:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alex(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 74	Which torch- 10 or 18W ? Hi I need an advice. I’ve always been reasonably happy with my Green Force FII 50W torch. It has never let me down and proved to be sufficient for the sort of diving I’ve been doing- mainly wreck diving where you need neither a very long burn time nor a very bright torch. However, I found it much worse than HID for signalling (it is just not visible when it is a lot of ambient light), and I am thinking about a cave course some time in the future. Now, Phill Divingniknaks Christmas deal made me think about a possible upgrade to a HID. It seems that Salvo torches are the best torches around at the moment. And I am sure that 18 W is in general better than 10 W. However it is almost twice more expensive, and I just cannot afford to spend 750 quid on it. So, here is the question: Will Salvo 10 W be good enough for most applications, or there are really serious reasons to wait and go for 18 W sometime in the future ? Thanks Alex

November 29th, 2005, 10:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,038	Thanks for comparisons Aki, I'd lost that link myself. Glad you like your Salvo Alex, I'm biased right but the 18W is a stunning light. Where's Davey Willo when you need him, he's honest as well. ! . __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com

November 30th, 2005, 01:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,038	Quote: (Originally Posted by Alex) Phill This works against you- I can't pay 750 at the moment anyway. The bulb and battery garantie- is it for all torches or only 18W? Thanks Alex Don't worry I'll have your soul in small pieces I don't mind :D The Gaurantee from Salvo was for the "new range of 18W and 24W", but I'll tell you how confident in the whole range I am. If you want a 10W light, Divingniknaks will offer that same gaurantee wthout Barry behind us. Now beat that ! Help you make your mind up at all ? __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com

November 30th, 2005, 01:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
maccajim(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 97	Get the 18 Salvo I just did tech1 in a team of three everyone else had 18watt i had a 10watt halycon on shallow dives it was a lot harder for me to signal as it just seemed so much weaker. On the deeper 45m dive it didn't seem as bad but i eventually want to do cave1 where everyone should have the same strength beam so getting 18watt Salvo when fix 10w and sell it.

November 30th, 2005, 01:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
MarkEm(Offline) Site Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 220	Quote: (Originally Posted by Alex) Hi I need an advice. I’ve always been reasonably happy with my Green Force FII 50W torch. It has never let me down and proved to be sufficient for the sort of diving I’ve been doing- mainly wreck diving where you need neither a very long burn time nor a very bright torch. However, I found it much worse than HID for signalling (it is just not visible when it is a lot of ambient light), and I am thinking about a cave course some time in the future. Now, Phill Divingniknaks Christmas deal made me think about a possible upgrade to a HID. It seems that Salvo torches are the best torches around at the moment. And I am sure that 18 W is in general better than 10 W. However it is almost twice more expensive, and I just cannot afford to spend 750 quid on it. So, here is the question: Will Salvo 10 W be good enough for most applications, or there are really serious reasons to wait and go for 18 W sometime in the future ? Thanks Alex Hi Alex, there is a Halcyon 18watt Pro6 on Ebay - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Halcyon-18-Wat...QQcmdZViewItem In my experience I have found the 10watt (Halcyon or Salvo) with an extended reflector to be perfectly adequate for UK trimix applications. No complaints from buddies with 18watt lamps either. Regards, Mark. Last edited by MarkEm; November 30th, 2005 at 01:59 AM.

November 29th, 2005, 09:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
*ericfine50*(Offline) Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MA Posts: 622	18 Watt - If your buddies go with 18s and you go with a 10. your beam will get smothered. I have a Halcyon 18Watt - Best lighthead I ever had.

November 29th, 2005, 09:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
aki(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 63	I just bought a Salvo 9A/24W HID. I used to have DR 10W HID. The difference is incredible. A fellow diver from Finland has 10 and 21 watt Salvos and has made some comparisons. -- Aki

November 30th, 2005, 12:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
Alex(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 74	Quote: (Originally Posted by Divingniknaks) Alex, I'm biased right but the 18W is a stunning light. Phill This works against you- I can't pay 750 at the moment anyway. The bulb and battery garantie- is it for all torches or only 18W? Thanks Alex

November 30th, 2005, 01:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Clare Gledhill(Offline) GUE Instructor Site Admin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,547	Quote: (Originally Posted by MarkEm) No complaints from buddies with 18watt lamps either. Well we buddies often say size doesn't matter - but that tends to be just to make you feel better OK - I'm going now.... PS - Hi Mark - hope to see you Sunday __________________ Clare . "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions....Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you too can become great." Interested in DIR dive training? Always happy to chat/answer questions so get in touch via PM or visit www.dirdiver.co.uk

November 30th, 2005, 01:45 AM	#10 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,038	I know I have an interest here but ........... Thats a Lead Acid light with a V large canister. Just so Alex knows ! Not comparable to the new Helios or Salvo range of NImH lights weight wise at least. See trying to be fair and mention the H lights as well Just a thought. Edited Can't spell at this time of night / morning __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com