Twinset info required

BDH · August 24th, 2006, 12:24 PM

Hi All
I'm looking at setting up and diving a twinset (12s) over the winter ready for next years season and also to take my Adv nitrox and deco, I have been searching on e-bay and been out bid on a number of occasions, it amazes me how much people are willing to pay for a second hand set that will need testing or cleaned in a few months. Anyway I have been searching around and come across a few places that will sell for £230 (which would be my budget) what I was wanting to know was, what are the differences between Beaver, Faber, Heiser cylinders and what sort of manifolds would you all recommend or not recommend.

Any other info on the subject would be great, or if anybody has a set of 12s they want to get rid off just give me nudge.

cheers Barry

GLOC · August 24th, 2006, 12:33 PM

Speak to Rob Dobson (on here as Rob Dobson!), I know he has a set of Fabers which might be going soon...

BDH · August 24th, 2006, 12:42 PM

thanks for the heads up Gareth pm sent.

Barry

**Howard Payne** · August 24th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Grahame Knott of Wey Cheiftain has a set of twin 12's fabers at the moment that he wants about £220 for: http://www.weymouthdiving.com/

***EBT*** · August 24th, 2006, 12:52 PM

I know of two sets of fabers going soon, both with Scubapro manifolds and SDS bands...... yell if you're interested.

Andrew Bryson · August 24th, 2006, 12:59 PM

Sorry to intrude. I'm looking for another set of Faber 12's with decent bands and manifold, so please keep me in mind. They would need to be posted though.

Cheers
andy

Divingniknaks · August 24th, 2006, 02:13 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by BDH)

differences between Beaver, Faber, Heiser cylinders and what sort of manifolds would you all recommend or not recommend.

Hi Barry,

Might be academic now, but here goes.

Beaver (ECS) are the longer thinner type same dimensions as Heiser but lighter, on average by approx 1.2Kgs each. Dims, 171mm dia x 710 long, typical weight 13.2 Kgs each without valve.

Heisers, dims as above but approx 14.4 kgs ea.

Fabers , for Firemen

Manifold should be the barrel, double o-ring type eg. Dirzone, Agir-Brokk, Scubapro, Halcyon (no doubt others exist).

The common manifold which occurs in the UK is the MDE, these are not barrel dbl o-ring. Having said that, they are used by thousands of people who are not dying in droves.

Hope that helps to answer some of the questions.

Cheers

BDH · August 24th, 2006, 02:21 PM

thanks one and all for the great response PM's sent, hopefully I'll have more luck on here than e-bay now I'll have to start saving for the wing I want and the extra DS4.

god my misses is going to go nuts

were supposed to be going to Goa in Jan.

Barry

BDH · August 24th, 2006, 02:39 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Divingniknaks)

Hi Barry,

Might be academic now, but here goes.

Beaver (ECS) are the longer thinner type same dimensions as Heiser but lighter, on average by approx 1.2Kgs each. Dims, 171mm dia x 710 long, typical weight 13.2 Kgs each without valve.

Heisers, dims as above but approx 14.4 kgs ea.

Fabers , for Firemen

Manifold should be the barrel, double o-ring type eg. Dirzone, Agir-Brokk, Scubapro, Halcyon (no doubt others exist).

The common manifold which occurs in the UK is the MDE, these are not barrel dbl o-ring. Having said that, they are used by thousands of people who are not dying in droves.

cheers Phill that clears up a few Q's

Barry

Rob Dobson · August 24th, 2006, 03:20 PM

The shape of the cylinders can have quite an effect on your trim.

I am long and thin and find it much easier to dive with long thin cylinders (ECS or Heisers). My first set of 12's were Faber's - perfectly good cylinders but they didn't suit my body shape. A shorter and or broader person would probably not notice much difference between the two or may actually prefer Fabers.

As I would rather the weight was in my cylinders than around my waist I use Heisers because they are 2Kg's heavier than the ECS's.

The wing you buy will also need to suit your cylinders - i.e don't use an Evolve wing with Fabers as the wing has a tendency to get caught between the bottom of cylinders and the ground when you are moving your rig about on land. This can tear the bladder which is a bad thing.

August 24th, 2006, 12:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
BDH(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Putney, London Posts: 64	Twinset info required Hi All I'm looking at setting up and diving a twinset (12s) over the winter ready for next years season and also to take my Adv nitrox and deco, I have been searching on e-bay and been out bid on a number of occasions, it amazes me how much people are willing to pay for a second hand set that will need testing or cleaned in a few months. Anyway I have been searching around and come across a few places that will sell for £230 (which would be my budget) what I was wanting to know was, what are the differences between Beaver, Faber, Heiser cylinders and what sort of manifolds would you all recommend or not recommend. Any other info on the subject would be great, or if anybody has a set of 12s they want to get rid off just give me nudge. cheers Barry

August 24th, 2006, 12:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
GLOC (Online) Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fleet, Hants Posts: 2,000	Speak to Rob Dobson (on here as Rob Dobson!), I know he has a set of Fabers which might be going soon... __________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Travels Underwater and Further Afar If you don't have the time to do something right, where are you going to find the time to fix it? - Stephen King

August 24th, 2006, 12:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Howard Payne(Offline) Strokey Dokily Doo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,208	Grahame Knott of Wey Cheiftain has a set of twin 12's fabers at the moment that he wants about £220 for: http://www.weymouthdiving.com/ __________________ The Foxturd Chimp

August 24th, 2006, 02:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,038	Quote: (Originally Posted by BDH) differences between Beaver, Faber, Heiser cylinders and what sort of manifolds would you all recommend or not recommend. Hi Barry, Might be academic now, but here goes. Beaver (ECS) are the longer thinner type same dimensions as Heiser but lighter, on average by approx 1.2Kgs each. Dims, 171mm dia x 710 long, typical weight 13.2 Kgs each without valve. Heisers, dims as above but approx 14.4 kgs ea. Fabers , for Firemen Manifold should be the barrel, double o-ring type eg. Dirzone, Agir-Brokk, Scubapro, Halcyon (no doubt others exist). The common manifold which occurs in the UK is the MDE, these are not barrel dbl o-ring. Having said that, they are used by thousands of people who are not dying in droves. Hope that helps to answer some of the questions. Cheers __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com

August 24th, 2006, 12:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
BDH(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Putney, London Posts: 64	thanks for the heads up Gareth pm sent. Barry

August 24th, 2006, 12:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
*EBT*(Offline) Just another crouton... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 414	I know of two sets of fabers going soon, both with Scubapro manifolds and SDS bands...... yell if you're interested.

August 24th, 2006, 12:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Bryson(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Abingdon Posts: 315	Sorry to intrude. I'm looking for another set of Faber 12's with decent bands and manifold, so please keep me in mind. They would need to be posted though. Cheers andy

August 24th, 2006, 02:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
BDH(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Putney, London Posts: 64	thanks one and all for the great response PM's sent, hopefully I'll have more luck on here than e-bay now I'll have to start saving for the wing I want and the extra DS4. god my misses is going to go nuts were supposed to be going to Goa in Jan. Barry

August 24th, 2006, 02:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
BDH(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Putney, London Posts: 64	Quote: (Originally Posted by Divingniknaks) Hi Barry, Might be academic now, but here goes. Beaver (ECS) are the longer thinner type same dimensions as Heiser but lighter, on average by approx 1.2Kgs each. Dims, 171mm dia x 710 long, typical weight 13.2 Kgs each without valve. Heisers, dims as above but approx 14.4 kgs ea. Fabers , for Firemen Manifold should be the barrel, double o-ring type eg. Dirzone, Agir-Brokk, Scubapro, Halcyon (no doubt others exist). The common manifold which occurs in the UK is the MDE, these are not barrel dbl o-ring. Having said that, they are used by thousands of people who are not dying in droves. cheers Phill that clears up a few Q's Barry

August 24th, 2006, 03:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rob Dobson (Online) Chillin' with the ninjas Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 537	The shape of the cylinders can have quite an effect on your trim. I am long and thin and find it much easier to dive with long thin cylinders (ECS or Heisers). My first set of 12's were Faber's - perfectly good cylinders but they didn't suit my body shape. A shorter and or broader person would probably not notice much difference between the two or may actually prefer Fabers. As I would rather the weight was in my cylinders than around my waist I use Heisers because they are 2Kg's heavier than the ECS's. The wing you buy will also need to suit your cylinders - i.e don't use an Evolve wing with Fabers as the wing has a tendency to get caught between the bottom of cylinders and the ground when you are moving your rig about on land. This can tear the bladder which is a bad thing.