DSS Torus Wing and Dirzone backplate, compatible?

Keiron · July 17th, 2006, 12:25 PM

Hello there,

Hopefully someone can put me out of my misery! Me and the Mrs are hopefully managing to get away to the Red Sea for a long deserved holiday (3 years or so now) and I was liking the idea of the DSS torus wing.

Now, I sent an email to DSS asking for prices etc, and how the whole ensemble would work as the Torus has no intergrated STA. The email back said that they wouldn't be responsible for any incompatibilities. Now, that got me worried as I (obviously wrongly) assumed that the backplate and wing would all go together quite happily.

So, another email was sent asking if they were aware if the Dirzone backplate and Torus wing would fit together, the email that came back just said I could buy a DSS wing if they didn't.

So, does anyone know? Or, enlighten me further?

Mmany thanks

*JohnKendall* · July 17th, 2006, 12:30 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by clowny)

Hello there,

Hopefully someone can put me out of my misery! Me and the Mrs are hopefully managing to get away to the Red Sea for a long deserved holiday (3 years or so now) and I was liking the idea of the DSS torus wing.

Now, I sent an email to DSS asking for prices etc, and how the whole ensemble would work as the Torus has no intergrated STA. The email back said that they wouldn't be responsible for any incompatibilities. Now, that got me worried as I (obviously wrongly) assumed that the backplate and wing would all go together quite happily.

So, another email was sent asking if they were aware if the Dirzone backplate and Torus wing would fit together, the email that came back just said I could buy a DSS wing if they didn't.

So, does anyone know? Or, enlighten me further?

Mmany thanks

Um, as I understand it the DSS torus wing is a double tank wing (However I may well be mistaken)

Tobin frequents this board so may well be able to answer, otherwise Niknaks do the DSS stuff, so maybe give Phill a ring.

HTH
J

**jb2cool** · July 17th, 2006, 01:04 PM

These wings should have 11" spaced holes to mount them onto cylinders/plates and i have not had any compatability problems between Dive-Rite, Halcyon, Agir and whoever else i have got kit from. I can't see that DSS would be any different.

Keiron · July 17th, 2006, 01:05 PM

Hi John,

The Torus 25 and 36 are the new single tank wings from DSS, I asked DSS if Phil would be knowledgeable but they said he didn't stock them,

Hey jb,

It was more the camband straps that I was thinking of, I don't know if the slots in the backplate would line up with the slots located in the wing itself. I could just be worrying over nothing, but the mail from DSS disclaiming compatibility seemed quite strenuous!!

*JohnKendall* · July 17th, 2006, 01:13 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by clowny)

Hi John,

The Torus 25 and 36 are the new single tank wings from DSS, I asked DSS if Phil would be knowledgeable but they said he didn't stock them,

Hey jb,

It was more the camband straps that I was thinking of, I don't know if the slots in the backplate would line up with the slots located in the wing itself. I could just be worrying over nothing, but the mail from DSS disclaiming compatibility seemed quite strenuous!!

Ok, that makes more sense. Pretty much any combination of plate and wing will work if you use an STA, however cam band slots don't really have a standard, so you'd need to get measurements for where slots are (if there are any to start with)

HTH
J

**jb2cool** · July 17th, 2006, 01:14 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by clowny)

It was more the camband straps that I was thinking of, I don't know if the slots in the backplate would line up with the slots located in the wing itself. I could just be worrying over nothing, but the mail from DSS disclaiming compatibility seemed quite strenuous!!

Ah right, sorry.

I see your problem now then.

TobinGeorge · July 17th, 2006, 03:24 PM

If you are using a bolt on STA most wings and most plates are compatibile. If you want to go "STA-Less" thing get more complicated.

Compatibility between a single tank wing and plate requires at the very least that the camband slots in the plate, and in the wing line up. This is the absolute minimum requirement.

There are also holes at 11" centers in both the wing and the plate. Although not essential, it's preferred that when the camband slots are aligned, that the 11" holes are also aligned.

What are the chances that a third party plate, will have both the camband slots in the same place as a DSS plate, and at the same time have the 11" holes positioned in the same place relative to the camband slots?

Remember there is no standard for backplate, none. About the only thing on finds consistently is atleast one set of holes at 11" centers.

I cannot guarantee that our wings will be a perfect fit on third party plates for the following reasons:

1) I don't have examples of every plate ever made.

2) Even if I did have examples, nothing keeps other manufacturers from making running changes, or changing fabricators who might make changes of their own.

3) I don't know what the customers level of expectation is. I can make a wing work if just the camband slots align, or even if they are just "pretty close" Will this be satisfactory to the customer who might expect complete, perfect compatibility? I want happy customers, not a post sale pissing match because their Frankenstein isn't what they imagined.

I can guarantee the goods I sell work well as a system.

Regards,

Tobin

vid · July 17th, 2006, 04:07 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by TobinGeorge)

I can guarantee the goods I sell work well as a system.

which is more than some manufacturers can claim.......

my long term buddy has a ********system, cosnisting of wing/ali backplate/soft harness - the camband slots & bolt holes don't match up on the 3 pieces.

If that's just one maufacturer (and a very good manufacturer at that - just as long as you don't want to put all of their kit togther

) how much hope is their between rival companies to work to the same basis!

vid

Divingniknaks · July 17th, 2006, 04:34 PM

Tobin PM sent.

Clowny, I've just put a DSS Kydex plate against a DZ plate and the camband slots are in different places. Holes are fine.

My take on that would be that the wing therefore won't be compatible with the Dirzone plate.

How about a DIRZONE Cub wing ? I can gaurantee they line up

That is also a wing that doesnt need an STA, if thats a contributing factor ?

HTH

July 17th, 2006, 12:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,444	Quote: (Originally Posted by clowny) Hello there, Hopefully someone can put me out of my misery! Me and the Mrs are hopefully managing to get away to the Red Sea for a long deserved holiday (3 years or so now) and I was liking the idea of the DSS torus wing. Now, I sent an email to DSS asking for prices etc, and how the whole ensemble would work as the Torus has no intergrated STA. The email back said that they wouldn't be responsible for any incompatibilities. Now, that got me worried as I (obviously wrongly) assumed that the backplate and wing would all go together quite happily. So, another email was sent asking if they were aware if the Dirzone backplate and Torus wing would fit together, the email that came back just said I could buy a DSS wing if they didn't. So, does anyone know? Or, enlighten me further? Mmany thanks Um, as I understand it the DSS torus wing is a double tank wing (However I may well be mistaken) Tobin frequents this board so may well be able to answer, otherwise Niknaks do the DSS stuff, so maybe give Phill a ring. HTH J __________________ John Kendall http://www.amphibian-productions.com/diving GUE Instruction, Santi, Zeuxo and Halcyon Equipment NEW - Online Shop

July 17th, 2006, 01:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
jb2cool(Offline) Sorry for being a dick Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Posts: 974	These wings should have 11" spaced holes to mount them onto cylinders/plates and i have not had any compatability problems between Dive-Rite, Halcyon, Agir and whoever else i have got kit from. I can't see that DSS would be any different. __________________ http://jb2cool.bulldoghome.com

July 17th, 2006, 01:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Keiron(Offline) New Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chester, UK Posts: 129	Hi John, The Torus 25 and 36 are the new single tank wings from DSS, I asked DSS if Phil would be knowledgeable but they said he didn't stock them, Hey jb, It was more the camband straps that I was thinking of, I don't know if the slots in the backplate would line up with the slots located in the wing itself. I could just be worrying over nothing, but the mail from DSS disclaiming compatibility seemed quite strenuous!! Last edited by Keiron; July 17th, 2006 at 01:07 PM..

July 17th, 2006, 01:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,444	Quote: (Originally Posted by clowny) Hi John, The Torus 25 and 36 are the new single tank wings from DSS, I asked DSS if Phil would be knowledgeable but they said he didn't stock them, Hey jb, It was more the camband straps that I was thinking of, I don't know if the slots in the backplate would line up with the slots located in the wing itself. I could just be worrying over nothing, but the mail from DSS disclaiming compatibility seemed quite strenuous!! Ok, that makes more sense. Pretty much any combination of plate and wing will work if you use an STA, however cam band slots don't really have a standard, so you'd need to get measurements for where slots are (if there are any to start with) HTH J __________________ John Kendall http://www.amphibian-productions.com/diving GUE Instruction, Santi, Zeuxo and Halcyon Equipment NEW - Online Shop

July 17th, 2006, 01:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
jb2cool(Offline) Sorry for being a dick Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire Posts: 974	Quote: (Originally Posted by clowny) It was more the camband straps that I was thinking of, I don't know if the slots in the backplate would line up with the slots located in the wing itself. I could just be worrying over nothing, but the mail from DSS disclaiming compatibility seemed quite strenuous!! Ah right, sorry. I see your problem now then. __________________ http://jb2cool.bulldoghome.com

July 17th, 2006, 12:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
Keiron(Offline) New Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chester, UK Posts: 129	Hello there, Hopefully someone can put me out of my misery! Me and the Mrs are hopefully managing to get away to the Red Sea for a long deserved holiday (3 years or so now) and I was liking the idea of the DSS torus wing. Now, I sent an email to DSS asking for prices etc, and how the whole ensemble would work as the Torus has no intergrated STA. The email back said that they wouldn't be responsible for any incompatibilities. Now, that got me worried as I (obviously wrongly) assumed that the backplate and wing would all go together quite happily. So, another email was sent asking if they were aware if the Dirzone backplate and Torus wing would fit together, the email that came back just said I could buy a DSS wing if they didn't. So, does anyone know? Or, enlighten me further? Mmany thanks

July 17th, 2006, 03:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
TobinGeorge (Online) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 687	If you are using a bolt on STA most wings and most plates are compatibile. If you want to go "STA-Less" thing get more complicated. Compatibility between a single tank wing and plate requires at the very least that the camband slots in the plate, and in the wing line up. This is the absolute minimum requirement. There are also holes at 11" centers in both the wing and the plate. Although not essential, it's preferred that when the camband slots are aligned, that the 11" holes are also aligned. What are the chances that a third party plate, will have both the camband slots in the same place as a DSS plate, and at the same time have the 11" holes positioned in the same place relative to the camband slots? Remember there is no standard for backplate, none. About the only thing on finds consistently is atleast one set of holes at 11" centers. I cannot guarantee that our wings will be a perfect fit on third party plates for the following reasons: 1) I don't have examples of every plate ever made. 2) Even if I did have examples, nothing keeps other manufacturers from making running changes, or changing fabricators who might make changes of their own. 3) I don't know what the customers level of expectation is. I can make a wing work if just the camband slots align, or even if they are just "pretty close" Will this be satisfactory to the customer who might expect complete, perfect compatibility? I want happy customers, not a post sale pissing match because their Frankenstein isn't what they imagined. I can guarantee the goods I sell work well as a system. Regards, Tobin

July 17th, 2006, 04:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
vid(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: london/surrey border, UK Posts: 355	Quote: (Originally Posted by TobinGeorge) I can guarantee the goods I sell work well as a system. which is more than some manufacturers can claim....... my long term buddy has a ********system, cosnisting of wing/ali backplate/soft harness - the camband slots & bolt holes don't match up on the 3 pieces. If that's just one maufacturer (and a very good manufacturer at that - just as long as you don't want to put all of their kit togther ) how much hope is their between rival companies to work to the same basis! vid

July 17th, 2006, 04:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
Divingniknaks(Offline) Resident purveyor of shiney kit.... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 1,040	Tobin PM sent. Clowny, I've just put a DSS Kydex plate against a DZ plate and the camband slots are in different places. Holes are fine. My take on that would be that the wing therefore won't be compatible with the Dirzone plate. How about a DIRZONE Cub wing ? I can gaurantee they line up That is also a wing that doesnt need an STA, if thats a contributing factor ? HTH __________________ Phill ----------------------------- Salvo Lights, DirZone Gear , Frog Wings Dive ? http://www.divingniknaks.com