GUE Divemaster or Rescue Diver??

Mal Bridgeman · December 6th, 2005, 01:33 AM

Just being nosey but what is the planned GUE qualification for safety divers in the context of UK Open Water training?

TIA
Mal

*Brian Allen* · December 6th, 2005, 03:31 PM

That's the HSE requirement so anyone trained at Rescue level or above from any agency suffices, this can include your students. Although when i did my DIR-F course Richie Stevenson from Deep Blue came along as the rescue diver (probably just to laugh at me ) :D, of course i think 4 of us on the course were all over Rescue anyway.

Mal Bridgeman · December 7th, 2005, 12:17 AM

Hi Brian

Thanks....I expected that was how DIR-F & the more advance courses were done and I presume the team is never so task loaded that there is always at least 2 sets of eyes to assist if need be!!

However, the question I asked was really aimed at the new OW course where clearly OW divers cannot be Rescue Divers. To the best of my knowledge, the current GUE system does not have a certification for Assisting with students in training, so I was wonderiung how it was proposed to deal with that.

Perhaps John K or Rich knows?

TIA
MAl

*JohnKendall* · December 7th, 2005, 12:55 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman)

Hi Brian

Thanks....I expected that was how DIR-F & the more advance courses were done and I presume the team is never so task loaded that there is always at least 2 sets of eyes to assist if need be!!

However, the question I asked was really aimed at the new OW course where clearly OW divers cannot be Rescue Divers. To the best of my knowledge, the current GUE system does not have a certification for Assisting with students in training, so I was wonderiung how it was proposed to deal with that.

Perhaps John K or Rich knows?

TIA
MAl

I really don't know the answer to this as I'm not sure it's been worked out yet. However as with other GUE courses there will video in the open water dives, so I suspect that the Video guy will act as Support diver for the instructor.

I suspect (but again I don't know, AK or RW would have a better answer) that the Video guy would be a Tech1 or above.

Sorry that I can't give a definitive answer.
J

*Rich Walker* · December 7th, 2005, 12:59 AM

The HSE simply require that the diver at work has an in-water rescue diver.

There are many ways of achieving this that would satisfy the HSE. I'm sure that the particular method we employ will change from situation to situation, depending on how we structure the class.

For example, a six person class could run with Andy and I in the water, satisfying the HSE and also keeping instructor:student ratios within GUE standards.

Rich

*Brian Allen* · December 7th, 2005, 01:10 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker)

The HSE simply require that the diver at work has an in-water rescue diver.

Although I use an in-water rescue for PADI stuff, the extra pair of hands really helps... i know of 2 local non padi teaching facilities that use surface standby divers to meet the HSE requirement.

This doesn't haven't any relevance on your initial question mal... but AFAIK HSE do not require the Rescue diver to be "in water".

*Rich Walker* · December 7th, 2005, 01:13 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Brian A)

This doesn't haven't any relevance on your initial question mal... but AFAIK HSE do not require the Rescue diver to be "in water".

Really? I can't say I've memorised the acop so you may well be right.

However, if you conside that a rescue diver is necessary, then they really ought to be in the water, IMO.

Whether a rescue diver is neccessary is a completely different matter

Rich

Mal Bridgeman · December 9th, 2005, 09:29 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker)

Really? I can't say I've memorised the acop so you may well be right.

However, if you conside that a rescue diver is necessary, then they really ought to be in the water, IMO.

Whether a rescue diver is neccessary is a completely different matter

Rich

I too can't see the point of a Rescue Diver if they are not in the water but either way the Rescue Diver has to have an HSE Medical Cert AFAIK.

Rgrds
Mal

December 6th, 2005, 01:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mal Bridgeman(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 663	GUE Divemaster or Rescue Diver?? Just being nosey but what is the planned GUE qualification for safety divers in the context of UK Open Water training? TIA Mal __________________ Opinions and beliefs are correct at the time of posting but are subject to change without any notice or obligation on the part of the author.

December 7th, 2005, 12:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mal Bridgeman(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 663	Hi Brian Thanks....I expected that was how DIR-F & the more advance courses were done and I presume the team is never so task loaded that there is always at least 2 sets of eyes to assist if need be!! However, the question I asked was really aimed at the new OW course where clearly OW divers cannot be Rescue Divers. To the best of my knowledge, the current GUE system does not have a certification for Assisting with students in training, so I was wonderiung how it was proposed to deal with that. Perhaps John K or Rich knows? TIA MAl __________________ Opinions and beliefs are correct at the time of posting but are subject to change without any notice or obligation on the part of the author.

December 9th, 2005, 09:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mal Bridgeman(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 663	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker) Really? I can't say I've memorised the acop so you may well be right. However, if you conside that a rescue diver is necessary, then they really ought to be in the water, IMO. Whether a rescue diver is neccessary is a completely different matter Rich I too can't see the point of a Rescue Diver if they are not in the water but either way the Rescue Diver has to have an HSE Medical Cert AFAIK. Rgrds Mal __________________ Opinions and beliefs are correct at the time of posting but are subject to change without any notice or obligation on the part of the author.

December 6th, 2005, 03:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Brian Allen(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London & Plymouth Posts: 594	That's the HSE requirement so anyone trained at Rescue level or above from any agency suffices, this can include your students. Although when i did my DIR-F course Richie Stevenson from Deep Blue came along as the rescue diver (probably just to laugh at me ) :D, of course i think 4 of us on the course were all over Rescue anyway.

December 7th, 2005, 12:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,102	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman) Hi Brian Thanks....I expected that was how DIR-F & the more advance courses were done and I presume the team is never so task loaded that there is always at least 2 sets of eyes to assist if need be!! However, the question I asked was really aimed at the new OW course where clearly OW divers cannot be Rescue Divers. To the best of my knowledge, the current GUE system does not have a certification for Assisting with students in training, so I was wonderiung how it was proposed to deal with that. Perhaps John K or Rich knows? TIA MAl I really don't know the answer to this as I'm not sure it's been worked out yet. However as with other GUE courses there will video in the open water dives, so I suspect that the Video guy will act as Support diver for the instructor. I suspect (but again I don't know, AK or RW would have a better answer) that the Video guy would be a Tech1 or above. Sorry that I can't give a definitive answer. J

December 7th, 2005, 12:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
Rich Walker(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sheffield Posts: 300	The HSE simply require that the diver at work has an in-water rescue diver. There are many ways of achieving this that would satisfy the HSE. I'm sure that the particular method we employ will change from situation to situation, depending on how we structure the class. For example, a six person class could run with Andy and I in the water, satisfying the HSE and also keeping instructor:student ratios within GUE standards. Rich

December 7th, 2005, 01:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
Brian Allen(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London & Plymouth Posts: 594	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rich Walker) The HSE simply require that the diver at work has an in-water rescue diver. Although I use an in-water rescue for PADI stuff, the extra pair of hands really helps... i know of 2 local non padi teaching facilities that use surface standby divers to meet the HSE requirement. This doesn't haven't any relevance on your initial question mal... but AFAIK HSE do not require the Rescue diver to be "in water".

December 7th, 2005, 01:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
Rich Walker(Offline) GUE Instructor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sheffield Posts: 300	Quote: (Originally Posted by Brian A) This doesn't haven't any relevance on your initial question mal... but AFAIK HSE do not require the Rescue diver to be "in water". Really? I can't say I've memorised the acop so you may well be right. However, if you conside that a rescue diver is necessary, then they really ought to be in the water, IMO. Whether a rescue diver is neccessary is a completely different matter Rich