DIS or DIR?

Noel Johnson · May 14th, 2006, 08:23 AM

Good morning,

Firstly let me assure you this is not trolling or a piss take and I am genuinely interested.

When I initially purchased my backplate and harness I, having previously seen DIR divers in the water and articles on t'internet, investigated the whole issue of kit configuration, backplate adjustment etc in greater depth than I had previously. The most helpful one I found was the DIS-UK site and I have incorporated a lot of the philosophies into my config (before you start I know DIR isn't just about kit its a system, but as I have not done fundies I can't comment on the system) long hose, D-ding positioning etc - and now a barrel o-ringed manifold (

no longer on Indies) There are a few things you chaps will definitely frown on (choice of regs, love of neoprene but thats another story

) but one thing still bugs me.

How are DIR and DIS different?

Anders Knudsen · May 14th, 2006, 04:32 PM

Hey,

As you said yourself, DIR is a system a philosophy, with many things other than equipment.
DIS and KISS is very similar to the Hogarthian setup, but it does not have the mindset of the DIR diver.
One example on equipment. A DIR diver would always carry the light in the left hand due to oog situations – a DIS/KISS diver would carry the same light but could carry the light in the right hand.

DIR is a philosophy DIS and KISS is a equipment setup.

Please correct me if I am wrong

Best regards

Anders Knudsen

Marcin Kaluza · May 14th, 2006, 06:43 PM

Hi,

Quote: (Originally Posted by Noel Johnson)

How are DIR and DIS different?

I think the best people to ask would be Stuart Morrison (a.ka. lizardland) and Izzy Imset. Stuart is officially "the pope" of DIS and Izzy set-up the DIS-UK list.
I joined DIS-UK shotly after it's been formed and for many years it's been a great place to question anything about Hogarthian/DIR diving practice. Izzy used to run DIS workshops (for free) and I learned a lot from him.
Izzy always put a lot of emphasis towards diver attitude, teamwork and fun in diving while being relaxed about one's kit. You could show up on a dive without being risked being ridiculled for what you wear.
For me personally DIS is the DIR without GI3 (a.k.a. "the fat one from the DIR videos") attitude. Among DIR divers you may get away with a lot of BS as long as it comes from one of the "gurus", among DIS divers it'll never work

Best Regards

PRD · May 15th, 2006, 03:23 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Anders Knudsen)

One example on equipment. A DIR diver would always carry the light in the left hand due to oog situations – a DIS/KISS diver would carry the same light but could carry the light in the right hand.

Errm,

so, looking at your avatar, you'd be DIS/KISS then?

LOL, Paul

Anders Knudsen · May 15th, 2006, 04:32 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by PRD)

Errm,

so, looking at your avatar, you'd be DIS/KISS then?

LOL, Paul

As I said in another thread, my avatar is before my fundamentals, now I dive with the light in the left hand - and follow all the other rules.

Why do I then use this avatar? I am simply waiting fore someone to take a new picture of me

.

Best regards

Anders Knudsen

ps. got my c-card today

Mark Chase · May 15th, 2006, 04:33 PM

I was always told Izzi set up DIS because he couldent be DIR because he was a smoker :D I thaught this was hilarious :D

I realy hope its true.

ATB

Mark Chase

Mark Powell · May 15th, 2006, 05:59 PM

DIS wasn't meant to be just a watered down copy of DIR/Hogarthian kit configs. From the DIS-UK website.

Quote: (Originally Posted by dis-uk website)

DIS-UK is a transitional list aiming to bring traditionalist diving knowledge and practices up to date with modern and proven concepts on safety, team work, simplicity in kit configuration and the use of correct breathing mediums.

As you can see safety and team work are ranked right up there with kit config.

cantinadiver · May 15th, 2006, 07:58 PM

My impression of Izzy's philosophy, from when the DIS UK list was more active a few years ago, is that it was also a holistic approach to diving not just equipment based. It's roots stemmed from the fact that GUE was not permitted to offer training in the UK so Izzy stepped in to offer free workshops, the mailing list and promote this approach to diving. It is a little less dogmatic in that the list was aimed at accommodating divers who were learning about and transitioning to DIR and included divers who appreciated the overall philosophy and reasoning behind DIR but were turned off by the delivery of the message. Just my understanding of what it was about.

Nick

Mark Powell · May 15th, 2006, 08:42 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by cantinadiver)

My impression of Izzy's philosophy, from when the DIS UK list was more active a few years ago, is that it was also a holistic approach to diving not just equipment based. It's roots stemmed from the fact that GUE was not permitted to offer training in the UK so Izzy stepped in to offer free workshops, the mailing list and promote this approach to diving. It is a little less dogmatic in that the list was aimed at accommodating divers who were learning about and transitioning to DIR and included divers who appreciated the overall philosophy and reasoning behind DIR but were turned off by the delivery of the message. Just my understanding of what it was about.

Nick

That's a pretty good summary and my view also.

diver42 · May 15th, 2006, 11:11 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Anders Knudsen)

One example on equipment. A DIR diver would always carry the light in the left hand due to oog situations

Um, what do you mean by "always"? I've been taught to use the light on the right hand for a variety of situations. I also do it - like many GUE divers and instructors - when I want to strech or want to light up something on my left. Or just when I feel like a change on a long dive.

Are any of these things important? Not really. I'm just flumoxed sometimes when I see the apparent rigidity proposed by some. I never found that.

May 14th, 2006, 08:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
Noel Johnson(Offline) New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Burton-upon-Trent Posts: 64	DIS or DIR? Good morning, Firstly let me assure you this is not trolling or a piss take and I am genuinely interested. When I initially purchased my backplate and harness I, having previously seen DIR divers in the water and articles on t'internet, investigated the whole issue of kit configuration, backplate adjustment etc in greater depth than I had previously. The most helpful one I found was the DIS-UK site and I have incorporated a lot of the philosophies into my config (before you start I know DIR isn't just about kit its a system, but as I have not done fundies I can't comment on the system) long hose, D-ding positioning etc - and now a barrel o-ringed manifold ( no longer on Indies) There are a few things you chaps will definitely frown on (choice of regs, love of neoprene but thats another story ) but one thing still bugs me. How are DIR and DIS different? __________________ Team Bunny. Depth before Dishonour. Last edited by Noel Johnson; May 14th, 2006 at 08:30 AM.

May 14th, 2006, 04:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anders Knudsen (Online) Gadevang Underwater Explorers Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 179	Hey, As you said yourself, DIR is a system a philosophy, with many things other than equipment. DIS and KISS is very similar to the Hogarthian setup, but it does not have the mindset of the DIR diver. One example on equipment. A DIR diver would always carry the light in the left hand due to oog situations – a DIS/KISS diver would carry the same light but could carry the light in the right hand. DIR is a philosophy DIS and KISS is a equipment setup. Please correct me if I am wrong Best regards Anders Knudsen __________________ If someone standing on dry land tells you they're safe diving deep on air, give them a wide berth. If they're that stupid at 1 ATA, you know they won't get any smarter at depth

May 14th, 2006, 06:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Marcin Kaluza(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK, Bracknell Posts: 30	Hi, Quote: (Originally Posted by Noel Johnson) How are DIR and DIS different? I think the best people to ask would be Stuart Morrison (a.ka. lizardland) and Izzy Imset. Stuart is officially "the pope" of DIS and Izzy set-up the DIS-UK list. I joined DIS-UK shotly after it's been formed and for many years it's been a great place to question anything about Hogarthian/DIR diving practice. Izzy used to run DIS workshops (for free) and I learned a lot from him. Izzy always put a lot of emphasis towards diver attitude, teamwork and fun in diving while being relaxed about one's kit. You could show up on a dive without being risked being ridiculled for what you wear. For me personally DIS is the DIR without GI3 (a.k.a. "the fat one from the DIR videos") attitude. Among DIR divers you may get away with a lot of BS as long as it comes from one of the "gurus", among DIS divers it'll never work Best Regards __________________ Marcin HLPlanner - free VPM-B based decompression software

May 15th, 2006, 04:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Anders Knudsen (Online) Gadevang Underwater Explorers Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 179	Quote: (Originally Posted by PRD) Errm, so, looking at your avatar, you'd be DIS/KISS then? LOL, Paul As I said in another thread, my avatar is before my fundamentals, now I dive with the light in the left hand - and follow all the other rules. Why do I then use this avatar? I am simply waiting fore someone to take a new picture of me . Best regards Anders Knudsen ps. got my c-card today __________________ If someone standing on dry land tells you they're safe diving deep on air, give them a wide berth. If they're that stupid at 1 ATA, you know they won't get any smarter at depth

May 15th, 2006, 04:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mark Chase(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kent England Posts: 905	I was always told Izzi set up DIS because he couldent be DIR because he was a smoker :D I thaught this was hilarious :D I realy hope its true. ATB Mark Chase __________________ The only DIR Inspiration diver in the village

May 15th, 2006, 03:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
PRD(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 11	Quote: (Originally Posted by Anders Knudsen) One example on equipment. A DIR diver would always carry the light in the left hand due to oog situations – a DIS/KISS diver would carry the same light but could carry the light in the right hand. Errm, so, looking at your avatar, you'd be DIS/KISS then? LOL, Paul

May 15th, 2006, 05:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mark Powell(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Guildford Posts: 49	DIS wasn't meant to be just a watered down copy of DIR/Hogarthian kit configs. From the DIS-UK website. Quote: (Originally Posted by dis-uk website) DIS-UK is a transitional list aiming to bring traditionalist diving knowledge and practices up to date with modern and proven concepts on safety, team work, simplicity in kit configuration and the use of correct breathing mediums. As you can see safety and team work are ranked right up there with kit config. __________________ Mark Powell Dive-Tech: Technical Diver Training http://www.dive-tech.co.uk Visit the online technical diving shop: Analox, Fourth Element, Halcyon and Apeks

May 15th, 2006, 07:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
cantinadiver(Offline) New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: British Columbia Posts: 39	My impression of Izzy's philosophy, from when the DIS UK list was more active a few years ago, is that it was also a holistic approach to diving not just equipment based. It's roots stemmed from the fact that GUE was not permitted to offer training in the UK so Izzy stepped in to offer free workshops, the mailing list and promote this approach to diving. It is a little less dogmatic in that the list was aimed at accommodating divers who were learning about and transitioning to DIR and included divers who appreciated the overall philosophy and reasoning behind DIR but were turned off by the delivery of the message. Just my understanding of what it was about. Nick

May 15th, 2006, 08:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mark Powell(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Guildford Posts: 49	Quote: (Originally Posted by cantinadiver) My impression of Izzy's philosophy, from when the DIS UK list was more active a few years ago, is that it was also a holistic approach to diving not just equipment based. It's roots stemmed from the fact that GUE was not permitted to offer training in the UK so Izzy stepped in to offer free workshops, the mailing list and promote this approach to diving. It is a little less dogmatic in that the list was aimed at accommodating divers who were learning about and transitioning to DIR and included divers who appreciated the overall philosophy and reasoning behind DIR but were turned off by the delivery of the message. Just my understanding of what it was about. Nick That's a pretty good summary and my view also. __________________ Mark Powell Dive-Tech: Technical Diver Training http://www.dive-tech.co.uk Visit the online technical diving shop: Analox, Fourth Element, Halcyon and Apeks

May 15th, 2006, 11:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
diver42(Offline) New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 107	Quote: (Originally Posted by Anders Knudsen) One example on equipment. A DIR diver would always carry the light in the left hand due to oog situations Um, what do you mean by "always"? I've been taught to use the light on the right hand for a variety of situations. I also do it - like many GUE divers and instructors - when I want to strech or want to light up something on my left. Or just when I feel like a change on a long dive. Are any of these things important? Not really. I'm just flumoxed sometimes when I see the apparent rigidity proposed by some. I never found that.