Rule 1, how do you decide?

[Jonathan]

Just wondering about how people feel about diving with others.

The scenario would be a unknown dive to the limit of your qualification.

Would only dive with team
Would dive with any GUE trained (your level or higher)
Would dive with anyone after a quick check-out
Would dive with anyone

I'm not trying to cause any them-and-us type rucks with any non-DIRers here, I am just genuinely interested.

[Clare Gledhill]

Added another option Jonathan.

Should it not be Option 1 rather than Rule 1?

[Sterny]

Would dive with anyone after a quick check-out, but perhaps not to the limits of my qualification unless the check-out was very confidence-inspiring.

How they then conducted themselves as a buddy/team member in and out of the water would strongly influence whether I would dive with them again. I've had several uneventful perfectly 'safe' dives with people from my dive school (none of them DIR though some techy and some very experienced who ought to know better) with whom I would not dive again.

I'd dive with just about anyone in a shallow quarry dive or easy sea dive (harbour or shallow, slack tide etc) if it was well within my comfort zone.

[StephenT]

this question is too weighted to be worthwhile tbh:-

You need to consider the type of diving being done. If you are doing advanced technical diving, then it's surely alot more critical that you are familair with whom you are diving with to the point of knowing their air consumption etc etc. For lesser dives but still technical you want to know that the person you are diving with has skills and is competent enough to deal with any given scenerio, maybe you'd consider this a GUE trained diver.
For openwater diving then it really is less important, although i would much be much much happier diving with some1 i'm familair with and confident of their skills(obviously not my own). If i'm going on long-away trips then my only options may be to disobey #1, but i will make sure the buddy is familair with the long hose deployment and other important issue before an actual dive.

[Spectre]

My choice isn't there. When I lived in New England, it was that I would only dive within my team on anything I wouldn't feel comfortable doing solo [not that I solo dive, but with an unknown buddy I consider it a solo dive].

After moving to florida everything I've done has been caves. I work now on references. I don't dive with anyone that I haven't been referred to by someone that I trust. It could be either checking with someone I trust that I know has dove with them, or instructed them, about their attitudes and focus; or it could be a 3rd person coming in on a dive where I can observe them and decide for myself if they will go on the 'will call' list.

When adding in a 3rd person, I'll allow just about anyone in, but I always take the 3rd position so I can watch and thumb the dive if I don't like what I see. I will do small feeler things like moving my light out of their field of vision to get a sense of how long it takes for them to look back, that sort of thing to get a feel for their awareness.

edit: On dives -to my personal limits-, it would only be within my team of frequent buddies. [which I guess is the poll question]

[Jonathan]

Quote: (Originally Posted by StephenT)

this question is too weighted to be worthwhile tbh:-

Thanks

Quote: (Originally Posted by StephenT)

You need to consider the type of diving being done. If you are doing advanced technical diving.....

I thought that was given by the specified scenario, if you've just done fundies, for example, you're not going to be doing cave penetrations or a 60m trimix dive. Well if you are I wouldn't be with you!

Quote: (Originally Posted by StephenT)

...you want to know that the person you are diving with has skills and is competent enough to deal with any given scenerio, maybe you'd consider this a GUE trained diver.

I wholeheartedly agree, it's one reasons for all this training! And it was part of the raison d'etre for the question.

Quote: (Originally Posted by StephenT)

If i'm going on long-away trips then my only options may be to disobey #1

I dunno, have a look at the world map, there's quite a few of us out there. However I didn't really mean a holiday bimble again I thought the "limit of your qualification" might cover that.

Hope that helps

[StephenT]

ye by my real qualification limit is 12 metres safely :>

[Jonathan]

Quote: (Originally Posted by StephenT)

ye by my real qualification limit is 12 metres safely :>

If you fancy a bimble around the 6m shelf at Stoney let me know then!

[Rick]

Basically if the sh*t hits the fan and I need someone to get me through deco or out of a cave then only a GUE diver of the same level or above as me, who had undergone the same training!

For shallow bimble I'd dive with pretty much any sensible diver at least once, then be in a better position to call it next time!

Just use your head and the mk1 eyeball!

[Jonathan]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rick)

For shallow bimble I'd dive with pretty much any sensible diver at least once

That's me done then