AG puts Ratio Deco in the public domain

**Alastair** · November 23rd, 2005, 08:14 PM

Hi All,

Andrew Georgitis has put a description of ratio deco on his site for public viewing. I must admit I have some reservations about this. I understand why Ratio Deco works but I did a GUE tech-1 course and we spent a lot of time talking through deco with the instructor.

DIR is a system, it relies on all elements - fitness, hydration, buoyancy control (i.e. ascent rate), trim (i.e. horizontal while deco'ing), etc to do it right. If you don't have the rest of the tools than the deco may not work for you

What does everyone else think about this? Is it any worse than letting people purchase a copy of decoplanner?
Cheers
Al

Rick · November 23rd, 2005, 08:18 PM

As Al says, unless you adopt the whole system, this deco may not work for you!

Also bear in mind the AG is no longer a GUE instructor!!

fraser · November 23rd, 2005, 08:55 PM

Well, at the risk of sounding less than PC I think it's a daft move. Unfortunately the way the world perceives DIR means that the first time some muppet tries this smoking air at 55m and switching to 80% and gets bent it will be because DIR deco is dangerous.

I would have thought AG would understand that all too well, so assume he has an agenda.

Thoughts?

Fraser.

*JohnKendall* · November 23rd, 2005, 08:59 PM

I spotted this this mornining, and spent the day contemplating whether to publicise the link and decided not to. It's a very interesting document (which I haven't read all of yet) But I do worry about it being used in isolation.

J

*Clare Gledhill* · November 23rd, 2005, 09:03 PM

Hi - there has always been a problem in discussing deco publically - none of us want to think that something we post may lead to someone foolishly following what we write in ignorance of the fuller picture and getting bent.

However, for those qualified to do so, discussing deco may be helpful. So I've agreed with Stuart that we will create a forum where deco can be discussed, visible only to those who have been taught Ratio Deco by a GUE instructor. Other deco questions can of course be posted in the tech forum.

If you believe that you should be able to access this forum, PM me and when I set it up I'll ensure you get a log in.

HTH

Rick · November 23rd, 2005, 10:30 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG)

Hi - there has always been a problem in discussing deco publically - none of us want to think that something we post may lead to someone foolishly following what we write in ignorance of the fuller picture and getting bent.

However, for those qualified to do so, discussing deco may be helpful. So I've agreed with Stuart that we will create a forum where deco can be discussed, visible only to those who have been taught Ratio Deco by a GUE instructor. Other deco questions can of course be posted in the tech forum.

If you believe that you should be able to access this forum, PM me and when I set it up I'll ensure you get a log in.

HTH

Agreed and I also agree with the editing of my post!

The reason I posted though was because it was already common knowledge and on the public domain as detailed on another x website!

**Alastair** · November 23rd, 2005, 10:52 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Frogman)

Agreed and I also agree with the editing of my post!

The reason I posted though was because it was already common knowledge and on the public domain as detailed on another x website!

As it is public domain there seems little point pretending it hasn't happened. AG's doc is the third hit in google if you look for ratio deco so we may as well discuss it. On the bonus side it should mean that people reading this board will be aware that there is more to doing deco than a pdf doc.

Playing devil's advocate - is it any worse than someone buying decoplanner? I've often heard that refered to as GUE deco...

Rick · November 24th, 2005, 02:03 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Alastair)

Playing devil's advocate - is it any worse than someone buying decoplanner? I've often heard that refered to as GUE deco...

Ah sh*t man, my Tech 1 must have been lesser than everyone elses! :D :D

It's only a tool FFS!

If someone is daft enough to jump into ratio without any training or understanding then they deserve the consiquencies IMO!

graham_hk · November 24th, 2005, 03:53 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG)

However, for those qualified to do so, discussing deco may be helpful. So I've agreed with Stuart that we will create a forum where deco can be discussed, visible only to those who have been taught Ratio Deco by a GUE instructor. Other deco questions can of course be posted in the tech forum.
HTH

Disagree - if you make it restricted people will get the information anyway from other sources. Deco is not some black magic and doesn't need to be treated with secrecy. Keep it open and let people who are interested learn.

I guess the "swear to secrecy" thing orginally was to try to generate more courses...but if you are taking a GUE course to learn ratio deco (something that can be taught in 10-15min) you are missing the real point of the course.

All IMVHO :D

Graham

Jonathan · November 24th, 2005, 10:58 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk)

Disagree - if you make it restricted people will get the information anyway from other sources. Deco is not some black magic and doesn't need to be treated with secrecy. Keep it open and let people who are interested learn.

I guess the "swear to secrecy" thing orginally was to try to generate more courses...but if you are taking a GUE course to learn ratio deco (something that can be taught in 10-15min) you are missing the real point of the course.

All IMVHO :D

Graham

I've got a tendancy to agree with Graham here. As I develop as a diver this will be useful information. Stick a caveat saying that this info should only be used by persons qualified to do so, blah blah blah.

But I for one would not plan a deco dive based purely on something I read on t'internet without the proper training. But then again I may have more sense than most

Jonathan

November 23rd, 2005, 08:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alastair(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 693	AG puts Ratio Deco in the public domain Hi All, Andrew Georgitis has put a description of ratio deco on his site for public viewing. I must admit I have some reservations about this. I understand why Ratio Deco works but I did a GUE tech-1 course and we spent a lot of time talking through deco with the instructor. DIR is a system, it relies on all elements - fitness, hydration, buoyancy control (i.e. ascent rate), trim (i.e. horizontal while deco'ing), etc to do it right. If you don't have the rest of the tools than the deco may not work for you What does everyone else think about this? Is it any worse than letting people purchase a copy of decoplanner? Cheers Al __________________ Helium is our friend - GI3

November 23rd, 2005, 08:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rick(Offline) Jock Exley Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Falkirk/Stratford UK Posts: 730	As Al says, unless you adopt the whole system, this deco may not work for you! Also bear in mind the AG is no longer a GUE instructor!! __________________ Forget Everything And Remember http://phreaticzone.thedeepstop.com/ http://www.dublinbaydiving.com/ Last edited by Clare Gledhill; November 23rd, 2005 at 08:59 PM. Reason: removed link - see post

November 23rd, 2005, 08:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
fraser(Offline) "I'm only late on your timescale" Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 463	Well, at the risk of sounding less than PC I think it's a daft move. Unfortunately the way the world perceives DIR means that the first time some muppet tries this smoking air at 55m and switching to 80% and gets bent it will be because DIR deco is dangerous. I would have thought AG would understand that all too well, so assume he has an agenda. Thoughts? Fraser. __________________ Damn it feels good to be a gangsta

November 23rd, 2005, 09:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Clare Gledhill (Online) GUE Instructor Site Admin Pacman Champion! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,540	Hi - there has always been a problem in discussing deco publically - none of us want to think that something we post may lead to someone foolishly following what we write in ignorance of the fuller picture and getting bent. However, for those qualified to do so, discussing deco may be helpful. So I've agreed with Stuart that we will create a forum where deco can be discussed, visible only to those who have been taught Ratio Deco by a GUE instructor. Other deco questions can of course be posted in the tech forum. If you believe that you should be able to access this forum, PM me and when I set it up I'll ensure you get a log in. HTH __________________ Clare . "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions....Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you too can become great." Interested in DIR dive training? Always happy to chat/answer questions so get in touch via PM or visit www.dirdiver.co.uk

November 23rd, 2005, 10:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rick(Offline) Jock Exley Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Falkirk/Stratford UK Posts: 730	Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG) Hi - there has always been a problem in discussing deco publically - none of us want to think that something we post may lead to someone foolishly following what we write in ignorance of the fuller picture and getting bent. However, for those qualified to do so, discussing deco may be helpful. So I've agreed with Stuart that we will create a forum where deco can be discussed, visible only to those who have been taught Ratio Deco by a GUE instructor. Other deco questions can of course be posted in the tech forum. If you believe that you should be able to access this forum, PM me and when I set it up I'll ensure you get a log in. HTH Agreed and I also agree with the editing of my post! The reason I posted though was because it was already common knowledge and on the public domain as detailed on another x website! __________________ Forget Everything And Remember http://phreaticzone.thedeepstop.com/ http://www.dublinbaydiving.com/

November 23rd, 2005, 08:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,097	I spotted this this mornining, and spent the day contemplating whether to publicise the link and decided not to. It's a very interesting document (which I haven't read all of yet) But I do worry about it being used in isolation. J

November 23rd, 2005, 10:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Alastair(Offline) DIRX Supporter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 693	Quote: (Originally Posted by Frogman) Agreed and I also agree with the editing of my post! The reason I posted though was because it was already common knowledge and on the public domain as detailed on another x website! As it is public domain there seems little point pretending it hasn't happened. AG's doc is the third hit in google if you look for ratio deco so we may as well discuss it. On the bonus side it should mean that people reading this board will be aware that there is more to doing deco than a pdf doc. Playing devil's advocate - is it any worse than someone buying decoplanner? I've often heard that refered to as GUE deco... __________________ Helium is our friend - GI3

November 24th, 2005, 02:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
Rick(Offline) Jock Exley Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Falkirk/Stratford UK Posts: 730	Quote: (Originally Posted by Alastair) Playing devil's advocate - is it any worse than someone buying decoplanner? I've often heard that refered to as GUE deco... Ah sht man, my Tech 1 must have been lesser than everyone elses! :D :D It's only a tool FFS! If someone is daft enough to jump into ratio without any training or understanding then they deserve the consiquencies IMO! __________________ Forget Everything And Remember http://phreaticzone.thedeepstop.com/* http://www.dublinbaydiving.com/

November 24th, 2005, 03:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
graham_hk(Offline) Pinoy ako pinoy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: here, there and everywhere Posts: 779	Quote: (Originally Posted by CHG) However, for those qualified to do so, discussing deco may be helpful. So I've agreed with Stuart that we will create a forum where deco can be discussed, visible only to those who have been taught Ratio Deco by a GUE instructor. Other deco questions can of course be posted in the tech forum. HTH Disagree - if you make it restricted people will get the information anyway from other sources. Deco is not some black magic and doesn't need to be treated with secrecy. Keep it open and let people who are interested learn. I guess the "swear to secrecy" thing orginally was to try to generate more courses...but if you are taking a GUE course to learn ratio deco (something that can be taught in 10-15min) you are missing the real point of the course. All IMVHO :D Graham

November 24th, 2005, 10:58 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jonathan(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 215	Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk) Disagree - if you make it restricted people will get the information anyway from other sources. Deco is not some black magic and doesn't need to be treated with secrecy. Keep it open and let people who are interested learn. I guess the "swear to secrecy" thing orginally was to try to generate more courses...but if you are taking a GUE course to learn ratio deco (something that can be taught in 10-15min) you are missing the real point of the course. All IMVHO :D Graham I've got a tendancy to agree with Graham here. As I develop as a diver this will be useful information. Stick a caveat saying that this info should only be used by persons qualified to do so, blah blah blah. But I for one would not plan a deco dive based purely on something I read on t'internet without the proper training. But then again I may have more sense than most Jonathan