How to deal with unconscient cave diver?

Tautaz · November 3rd, 2006, 11:14 PM

Hi all

Starting my DIR diver career, a question is boring me:

how to deal with an inconscient cave diver?

Try to hold is reg in mouth an push him to the entrance finning on his/her side?

thanks for answer

David, rookie.

*JohnKendall* · November 3rd, 2006, 11:20 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tautaz)

Hi all

Starting my DIR diver career, a question is boring me:

how to deal with an inconscient cave diver?

Try to hold is reg in mouth an push him to the entrance finning on his/her side?

thanks for answer

David, rookie.

In the DIR-F, tech 1 and Cave 1 courses you are taught methods of dealing with unconcious divers. It's not exactly a technique that can be taught on the internet. Basically though it involves positioning yourself so you can control the casualties buoyancy while maintaining a reg and airway.

HTH
J

Tautaz · November 3rd, 2006, 11:31 PM

ok I can imagine something like going on the left side of the diver on his back, graping his reg in mouth use the corrugated hose to control flottability, dry suit deflate in automatic mode this way.
Using the right hand under the assisted diver to push out and control flot...

I'm on the way, please excuse my poor english, sometimes it's not easy for me to explain my ideas in english

David

*JohnKendall* · November 3rd, 2006, 11:40 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tautaz)

ok I can imagine something like going on the left side of the diver on his back, graping his reg in mouth use the corrugated hose to control flottability, dry suit deflate in automatic mode this way.
Using the right hand under the assisted diver to push out and control flot...

I'm on the way, please excuse my poor english, sometimes it's not easy for me to explain my ideas in english

David

Not quite. Basically you position yourself ontop of the unconcious diver. You can use your left hand to control their buoyancy and your own, and the right hand manages the reg/airway. It is MUCH easier to show you, then to try and explain it.

HTH
John

rjack · November 4th, 2006, 01:40 AM

If the victim is a bit positive and you are a bit negative, you stay stuck together. With your chest about equal with their manifold.

caverkevin · November 4th, 2006, 03:07 AM

Yo David!!did the french cave training not prepare you for this?

side note, you would cream yorself to see the wkpp video I am watching right now.cheers!!kevin

A-M · November 4th, 2006, 07:46 AM

Bringing out the unconcious cave diver is one thing. But what's the best way to get someone out of the water in e.g. Landenouse if you're only with 2? (we were taking about that this week :-)
Using an harnass will make his head go down so what are other techniques to hold the diver in position will getting him up with ropes?
Thx.

Tautaz · November 4th, 2006, 08:54 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by caverkevin)

Yo David!!did the french cave training not prepare you for this?

side note, you would cream yorself to see the wkpp video I am watching right now.cheers!!kevin

Helas...Not at all, french cave diving "school" teaches self sufficiency and solo diving...
The only trained for are the recory teams divers...

Wich video?the one in gorges de la Vis?

Cheers, David

Tautaz · November 4th, 2006, 09:01 AM

I think to help an unconscious diver to climb in Landenouse, the best way in my opinion is to use, 2 pulleys, one blocker and triple rope lenght (three time the depth of the pool)
For the harness why not leave the diver in his rig, without stages and lamp and put the caribener with one pulley on the chest D, pull a bit to keep head out of water.

The system to get down the gear may be left until way out, it's what I saw when diving Landenouse.

Leave your gear climb up to the top, catch the rope and pull to the exist.

After, give first aid cares...and call les Pompiers tel 18 or 112 on mobile phone.

Quote: (Originally Posted by A-M)

Bringing out the unconcious cave diver is one thing. But what's the best way to get someone out of the water in e.g. Landenouse if you're only with 2? (we were taking about that this week :-)
Using an harnass will make his head go down so what are other techniques to hold the diver in position will getting him up with ropes?
Thx.

A-M · November 4th, 2006, 10:05 AM

Might work but that means you're lifting a person+doubles on a (better both D-rings?) D-ring. I doubt they can handles 100-150kilo.

November 3rd, 2006, 11:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tautaz(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colomiers, France Posts: 84	How to deal with unconscient cave diver? Hi all Starting my DIR diver career, a question is boring me: how to deal with an inconscient cave diver? Try to hold is reg in mouth an push him to the entrance finning on his/her side? thanks for answer David, rookie.

November 3rd, 2006, 11:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,097	Quote: (Originally Posted by Tautaz) Hi all Starting my DIR diver career, a question is boring me: how to deal with an inconscient cave diver? Try to hold is reg in mouth an push him to the entrance finning on his/her side? thanks for answer David, rookie. In the DIR-F, tech 1 and Cave 1 courses you are taught methods of dealing with unconcious divers. It's not exactly a technique that can be taught on the internet. Basically though it involves positioning yourself so you can control the casualties buoyancy while maintaining a reg and airway. HTH J __________________ John Kendall http://www.guetraining.com/ GUE Instruction, Santi and Halcyon Equipment NEW - Online Santi Shop

November 3rd, 2006, 11:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
JohnKendall(Offline) GUE Instructor/DIRX Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,097	Quote: (Originally Posted by Tautaz) ok I can imagine something like going on the left side of the diver on his back, graping his reg in mouth use the corrugated hose to control flottability, dry suit deflate in automatic mode this way. Using the right hand under the assisted diver to push out and control flot... I'm on the way, please excuse my poor english, sometimes it's not easy for me to explain my ideas in english David Not quite. Basically you position yourself ontop of the unconcious diver. You can use your left hand to control their buoyancy and your own, and the right hand manages the reg/airway. It is MUCH easier to show you, then to try and explain it. HTH John __________________ John Kendall http://www.guetraining.com/ GUE Instruction, Santi and Halcyon Equipment NEW - Online Santi Shop

November 3rd, 2006, 11:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tautaz(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colomiers, France Posts: 84	ok I can imagine something like going on the left side of the diver on his back, graping his reg in mouth use the corrugated hose to control flottability, dry suit deflate in automatic mode this way. Using the right hand under the assisted diver to push out and control flot... I'm on the way, please excuse my poor english, sometimes it's not easy for me to explain my ideas in english David

November 4th, 2006, 01:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
rjack(Offline) wet behind the ears Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 860	If the victim is a bit positive and you are a bit negative, you stay stuck together. With your chest about equal with their manifold.

November 4th, 2006, 03:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
caverkevin(Offline) Doing It Caverkevin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Kackilackie Posts: 360	Yo David!!did the french cave training not prepare you for this? side note, you would cream yorself to see the wkpp video I am watching right now.cheers!!kevin

November 4th, 2006, 07:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
A-M(Offline) Cave addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 370	Bringing out the unconcious cave diver is one thing. But what's the best way to get someone out of the water in e.g. Landenouse if you're only with 2? (we were taking about that this week :-) Using an harnass will make his head go down so what are other techniques to hold the diver in position will getting him up with ropes? Thx.

November 4th, 2006, 08:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tautaz(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colomiers, France Posts: 84	Quote: (Originally Posted by caverkevin) Yo David!!did the french cave training not prepare you for this? side note, you would cream yorself to see the wkpp video I am watching right now.cheers!!kevin Helas...Not at all, french cave diving "school" teaches self sufficiency and solo diving... The only trained for are the recory teams divers... Wich video?the one in gorges de la Vis? Cheers, David

November 4th, 2006, 09:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tautaz(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colomiers, France Posts: 84	I think to help an unconscious diver to climb in Landenouse, the best way in my opinion is to use, 2 pulleys, one blocker and triple rope lenght (three time the depth of the pool) For the harness why not leave the diver in his rig, without stages and lamp and put the caribener with one pulley on the chest D, pull a bit to keep head out of water. The system to get down the gear may be left until way out, it's what I saw when diving Landenouse. Leave your gear climb up to the top, catch the rope and pull to the exist. After, give first aid cares...and call les Pompiers tel 18 or 112 on mobile phone. Quote: (Originally Posted by A-M) Bringing out the unconcious cave diver is one thing. But what's the best way to get someone out of the water in e.g. Landenouse if you're only with 2? (we were taking about that this week :-) Using an harnass will make his head go down so what are other techniques to hold the diver in position will getting him up with ropes? Thx.

November 4th, 2006, 10:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
A-M(Offline) Cave addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 370	Might work but that means you're lifting a person+doubles on a (better both D-rings?) D-ring. I doubt they can handles 100-150kilo.