Petitions against the norm EN 144-3 M26

Cyrille · June 11th, 2007, 11:55 PM

Hi,

Maybe you've heard about the new EN 144-3 norm (aka new norm for dive cylinders imposing the new M26 thread for cylinders containing a breathing mix other than regular air) which was voted in 2003. All EU countries have 5 years to implement it. If you live in the EU you are directly impacted by this norm, soon or later: need to buy new type of regulators and dive cylinders...

So far only the french and british divers have setup online petitions against it, arguying that only a new norm for compressors is the solution.

french: Pétition sur "Non a l'application de la norme EN 144-3 M 26" : Site de pétitions en ligne

english: Petition to: prevent changes to the current regulations on scuba cylinder valves.

If all europeans divers show the inadequacy of this norm, there may be a chance to stop this nonsense.

Cheers.

Cyrille

MarkT · June 12th, 2007, 12:06 AM

Been some debate about this here already :

Petition against M26 Norm

Rubis · June 12th, 2007, 06:00 AM

Czech and slovenian petition are being prepared as well ... and they will be submitted to the EU ... so, if you feel this is a nonsense, this is your chance to say no. If we don't do anything, of course it will pass.

You don't have to be french to sign the french one. If you're of the EU and there is no petition in your country, sign this one. If you are not of the EU, you can put a comment as a diving tourist which won't come to the EU and spend his money there. We can vote with our votes and we can vote with our money as well.

Chrisch · June 12th, 2007, 08:53 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Cyrille)

... arguying that only a new norm for compressors is the solution.
....

No no no no no!!

There is no problem - ergo no need for a "solution".

This has nothing to do with clean air - no idea how so many people have come to that conclusion..

Chris

Cyrille · June 12th, 2007, 09:06 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rubis)

Czech and slovenian petition are being prepared as well ... and they will be submitted to the EU ... so, if you feel this is a nonsense, this is your chance to say no. If we don't do anything, of course it will pass.

You don't have to be french to sign the french one. If you're of the EU and there is no petition in your country, sign this one. If you are not of the EU, you can put a comment as a diving tourist which won't come to the EU and spend his money there. We can vote with our votes and we can vote with our money as well.

Hi Rubis,

A suggestion: setup one wepage called "Europeans divers against the EN144-3 norm" that would contain links to the petitions in all european langages (or translations in most common european langages so that they can sign the english version).

We miss translations (or local petitions), especially for countries where people do not (generally speaking) understand multiple langages such as Italy, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Greece, Poland, etc. The others can read and sign the english version.

Last but not least: such initiatives will not be very effective if they remain in the cyberspace. To achieve something, there must be given some visibility in dive magazines to reach a wider audience and have a real impact. Anyone can help here?

Cheers.

Cyrille

Chrisch · June 12th, 2007, 10:43 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Cyrille)

...
Last but not least: such initiatives will not be very effective if they remain in the cyberspace. To achieve something, there must be given some visibility in dive magazines to reach a wider audience and have a real impact. Anyone can help here?
...

The British petition has been mentioned (with URL) in both the main UK dive magazines.

In my view to stop this nonsense you must have the support of the dive industry. Politicians care about business and jobs far more than the handful of votes of a few divers. Sadly it seems to me that the dive industry are not fighting this. The shops have the most to lose while equipment manufacturers stand, if anything, to gain. So I guess the industry as a whole will do nothing.

Equally it is fair to say that if dive shops are prepared to fill cylinders the problem will for leisure divers will simply go away.

Chris

June 11th, 2007, 11:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cyrille(Offline) New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ijsselstein, The Netherlands Posts: 112	Petitions against the norm EN 144-3 M26 Hi, Maybe you've heard about the new EN 144-3 norm (aka new norm for dive cylinders imposing the new M26 thread for cylinders containing a breathing mix other than regular air) which was voted in 2003. All EU countries have 5 years to implement it. If you live in the EU you are directly impacted by this norm, soon or later: need to buy new type of regulators and dive cylinders... So far only the french and british divers have setup online petitions against it, arguying that only a new norm for compressors is the solution. french: Pétition sur "Non a l'application de la norme EN 144-3 M 26" : Site de pétitions en ligne english: Petition to: prevent changes to the current regulations on scuba cylinder valves. If all europeans divers show the inadequacy of this norm, there may be a chance to stop this nonsense. Cheers. Cyrille __________________ "Scuba diversdescend to look around themselves, freedivers descend to look within themselves." Last edited by Cyrille; June 11th, 2007 at 11:58 PM.

June 12th, 2007, 06:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
Rubis(Offline) cave deprived and Kissed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Broadway, (lost in Central NC, USA far far way from Caves SIGH !!!) Posts: 275	Czech and slovenian petition are being prepared as well ... and they will be submitted to the EU ... so, if you feel this is a nonsense, this is your chance to say no. If we don't do anything, of course it will pass. You don't have to be french to sign the french one. If you're of the EU and there is no petition in your country, sign this one. If you are not of the EU, you can put a comment as a diving tourist which won't come to the EU and spend his money there. We can vote with our votes and we can vote with our money as well. __________________ Petition against M26 Last edited by Rubis; June 12th, 2007 at 08:18 AM.

June 12th, 2007, 09:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cyrille(Offline) New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ijsselstein, The Netherlands Posts: 112	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rubis) Czech and slovenian petition are being prepared as well ... and they will be submitted to the EU ... so, if you feel this is a nonsense, this is your chance to say no. If we don't do anything, of course it will pass. You don't have to be french to sign the french one. If you're of the EU and there is no petition in your country, sign this one. If you are not of the EU, you can put a comment as a diving tourist which won't come to the EU and spend his money there. We can vote with our votes and we can vote with our money as well. Hi Rubis, A suggestion: setup one wepage called "Europeans divers against the EN144-3 norm" that would contain links to the petitions in all european langages (or translations in most common european langages so that they can sign the english version). We miss translations (or local petitions), especially for countries where people do not (generally speaking) understand multiple langages such as Italy, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Greece, Poland, etc. The others can read and sign the english version. Last but not least: such initiatives will not be very effective if they remain in the cyberspace. To achieve something, there must be given some visibility in dive magazines to reach a wider audience and have a real impact. Anyone can help here? Cheers. Cyrille __________________ "Scuba diversdescend to look around themselves, freedivers descend to look within themselves."

June 12th, 2007, 12:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
MarkT(Offline) New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Aylesbury Posts: 233	Been some debate about this here already : Petition against M26 Norm

June 12th, 2007, 08:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
Chrisch(Offline) Hogarthian Heretic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 104	Quote: (Originally Posted by Cyrille) ... arguying that only a new norm for compressors is the solution. .... No no no no no!! There is no problem - ergo no need for a "solution". This has nothing to do with clean air - no idea how so many people have come to that conclusion.. Chris

June 12th, 2007, 10:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chrisch(Offline) Hogarthian Heretic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 104	Quote: (Originally Posted by Cyrille) ... Last but not least: such initiatives will not be very effective if they remain in the cyberspace. To achieve something, there must be given some visibility in dive magazines to reach a wider audience and have a real impact. Anyone can help here? ... The British petition has been mentioned (with URL) in both the main UK dive magazines. In my view to stop this nonsense you must have the support of the dive industry. Politicians care about business and jobs far more than the handful of votes of a few divers. Sadly it seems to me that the dive industry are not fighting this. The shops have the most to lose while equipment manufacturers stand, if anything, to gain. So I guess the industry as a whole will do nothing. Equally it is fair to say that if dive shops are prepared to fill cylinders the problem will for leisure divers will simply go away. Chris