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Mark Chase · January 18th, 2007, 01:58 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill)

Not in the slightest Mark - although I may certainly have said that one of the advantages of the drill is that a diver is no longer running the risk of closing all his valves at the same time - which can happen when our brain takes a walk for a while....

The Valve drill was changed because breathing your backup whilst shutting down your left post just would not happen in real life - and led to all sorts of "do I unclip my primary first" questions which made the Training Council realise that a better way of practicing should be found. Whilst it is a "drill" it's nice that now we practice to purge our left post if we have shut it off - exactly as we would do in a real situation.

Dunno if this is aimed at me after our chat in the pub - but Bob and I have agreed to come out on the Delta boat and give it a go remember....

Thing is if other Tech 2 divers say that they don't want to do station deco that is their choice. Their reluctance has less to do with whether it is DIR or not and more that they simply can't be bothered

I've certainly never seen or heard any suggestion that DIR divers can't carry PLBs - not from the agency anyway. I always carry a spare mask, a spare spool, spare double ender, and quite often a spare SMB as well. Seems a bit silly not to - I know my team can get me out if I lose my mask but why go to all that hassle when I can carry a spare. If my team mate loses one - well he can have my spare if he doesn't have one of his own.

It's too easy to confuse statements on the internet by people who support the DIR system of diving with statements about the system itself.

When it comes to moving stages around - good lord that poor guy who dropped on on his training course - will he ever live it down? Let's be charitable and reasonable shall we and remind ourselves that if you can't make mistakes on a training course when can you?

Clare i am not having a go at anyone and I am not having a go at DIR or its standards. Unlike some, I don't have to degrade my posts with personal attacks because my arguments are so week either

I think its useful to see how information written down by respected DIR divers on here is perceived by newcomers. As an example, I get a strong impression from divers like your self, Bob and others, from previous posts, that up-lines and drift stations are not DIR.

I get a strong impression from most of the DIR divers i have met and dived with that they generally use a single depth and bottom timer and carry little or nothing in the way of back up equipment ie back up red SMB back up mask back up cutting devices.

Whilst i am well aware of DIR divers who take steps which i think are perfectly justifiable, like carrying yellow emergency SMBs and carrying large wreck reels for SMB usage, I would actually prefer to see more specific guidance or actual standards in these areas.

I answered this post on the basis of, Its a great achievement to have developed this system but.....

And this is exactly the way I feel. In its present guise its an amazing achievement but Id like to see more standards designed for deep wreck OW diving. (coz thats what i do). I am also more than aware that pedantic sods like me are the very people who would have delayed the standards in the first place with loads of arguments.

I cant help it its in my nature.

Andyp said to me the other day Christ Chasey is there ANYTHING left on your CCR thats original. And frankly apart from a scrubber can, gas manifold & loop hoses I have redesigned, rebuilt or replaced every thing in the search for the ultimate tool for the job. I have realized this is half the fun of it for me.

ATB

Mark Chase

January 18th, 2007, 01:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mark Chase(Offline) New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kent England Posts: 905	Quote: (Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill) Not in the slightest Mark - although I may certainly have said that one of the advantages of the drill is that a diver is no longer running the risk of closing all his valves at the same time - which can happen when our brain takes a walk for a while.... The Valve drill was changed because breathing your backup whilst shutting down your left post just would not happen in real life - and led to all sorts of "do I unclip my primary first" questions which made the Training Council realise that a better way of practicing should be found. Whilst it is a "drill" it's nice that now we practice to purge our left post if we have shut it off - exactly as we would do in a real situation. Dunno if this is aimed at me after our chat in the pub - but Bob and I have agreed to come out on the Delta boat and give it a go remember.... Thing is if other Tech 2 divers say that they don't want to do station deco that is their choice. Their reluctance has less to do with whether it is DIR or not and more that they simply can't be bothered I've certainly never seen or heard any suggestion that DIR divers can't carry PLBs - not from the agency anyway. I always carry a spare mask, a spare spool, spare double ender, and quite often a spare SMB as well. Seems a bit silly not to - I know my team can get me out if I lose my mask but why go to all that hassle when I can carry a spare. If my team mate loses one - well he can have my spare if he doesn't have one of his own. It's too easy to confuse statements on the internet by people who support the DIR system of diving with statements about the system itself. When it comes to moving stages around - good lord that poor guy who dropped on on his training course - will he ever live it down? Let's be charitable and reasonable shall we and remind ourselves that if you can't make mistakes on a training course when can you? Clare i am not having a go at anyone and I am not having a go at DIR or its standards. Unlike some, I don't have to degrade my posts with personal attacks because my arguments are so week either I think its useful to see how information written down by respected DIR divers on here is perceived by newcomers. As an example, I get a strong impression from divers like your self, Bob and others, from previous posts, that up-lines and drift stations are not DIR. I get a strong impression from most of the DIR divers i have met and dived with that they generally use a single depth and bottom timer and carry little or nothing in the way of back up equipment ie back up red SMB back up mask back up cutting devices. Whilst i am well aware of DIR divers who take steps which i think are perfectly justifiable, like carrying yellow emergency SMBs and carrying large wreck reels for SMB usage, I would actually prefer to see more specific guidance or actual standards in these areas. I answered this post on the basis of, Its a great achievement to have developed this system but..... And this is exactly the way I feel. In its present guise its an amazing achievement but Id like to see more standards designed for deep wreck OW diving. (coz thats what i do). I am also more than aware that pedantic sods like me are the very people who would have delayed the standards in the first place with loads of arguments. I cant help it its in my nature. Andyp said to me the other day Christ Chasey is there ANYTHING left on your CCR thats original. And frankly apart from a scrubber can, gas manifold & loop hoses I have redesigned, rebuilt or replaced every thing in the search for the ultimate tool for the job. I have realized this is half the fun of it for me. ATB Mark Chase __________________ The only DIR Inspiration diver in the village