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Mats Edenfeldt · January 18th, 2007, 12:40 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC)

Also, you would be suprised how much break and rebuild happens in the class room. Instructors across all agencies actually will use all sorts of terms and phrases to slowly make students commit to a certain system.
Also and most commonly, is trying to show "ownership" of certain skills or bits of theory being exclusivley taught within only this agency.
So part of the break and rebuild is actually regular assimilation. Sounds bad, well it is

I agree with you about the classroom, allot of the break down occurs there, and that is better then during training dives. For me personally allot of the real "aha" moments occurred in the classroom when calculating and talking about procedures and when you got it all explained to you. That you actually are f**ed when some things happen or when you cross over a certain line. And that this line is not that far away as you think.

My only experience as an instructor (NAUI) is with beginners and up to relatively experienced divers and I have found that with the right type of scare tactics you can achieve a great result, and that is just in the classroom. If they get it they will keep the lid on the cowboy exploration nerve they have.
I have educated divers in DIR rigs but single set up with long hose and everything and all the procedures can be crossed over to a beginner, also the thinking behind the rig and the procedures can be adapted to the new diver. And when they get the hang of it almost all can acceptably hover in a horizontal position and donate gas in the right way. And they know why they are doing it. Also do acceptable frog kicks and some full heliturns. And to this you have the "scare tactics" that you can use in the class room and then you have a very aware diver that have a quit good awareness of the risks involved.

I guess it is the same for technical instructors, I have only been hanging around on tech classes to learn more but it looks from what I have seen it looks like the same tactics can be used there to. An off course to video the students is an exceptional way to get them to understand what they are doing wrong, we have also successfully used mirrors in the pool for beginners to easier find there position.

January 18th, 2007, 12:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mats Edenfeldt(Offline) Cave is fun :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sweden - Stockholm Posts: 157	Quote: (Originally Posted by Ahmed Adly, Marlin Inn DC) Also, you would be suprised how much break and rebuild happens in the class room. Instructors across all agencies actually will use all sorts of terms and phrases to slowly make students commit to a certain system. Also and most commonly, is trying to show "ownership" of certain skills or bits of theory being exclusivley taught within only this agency. So part of the break and rebuild is actually regular assimilation. Sounds bad, well it is I agree with you about the classroom, allot of the break down occurs there, and that is better then during training dives. For me personally allot of the real "aha" moments occurred in the classroom when calculating and talking about procedures and when you got it all explained to you. That you actually are fed when some things happen or when you cross over a certain line. And that this line is not that far away as you think. My only experience as an instructor (NAUI) is with beginners and up to relatively experienced divers and I have found that with the right type of scare tactics you can achieve a great result, and that is just in the classroom. If they get it they will keep the lid on the cowboy exploration nerve they have. I have educated divers in DIR rigs but single set up with long hose and everything and all the procedures can be crossed over to a beginner, also the thinking behind the rig and the procedures can be adapted to the new diver. And when they get the hang of it almost all can acceptably hover in a horizontal position and donate gas in the right way. And they know why they are doing it. Also do acceptable frog kicks and some full heliturns. And to this you have the "scare tactics" that you can use in the class room and then you have a very aware diver that have a quit good awareness of the risks involved. I guess it is the same for technical instructors, I have only been hanging around on tech classes to learn more but it looks from what I have seen it looks like the same tactics can be used there to. An off course to video the students is an exceptional way to get them to understand what they are doing wrong, we have also successfully used mirrors in the pool for beginners to easier find there position. __________________ GUE: DIR-Fundamentals, Cave 1, Cave 2 NAUI: Trimix 1, Technical diver, Instructor, DM, Wreck penetration, Oxygen service technician IANTD: Advanced Nitrox, Nitrox Various:** Apeks tech, Poseidon tech "Doing it right really means to do it properly. No skimping and no compromises. It sounds easy enough but it is not - it requires balls of steel" Peter Steinhoff